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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday we've got a couple

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great guests coming up to talk about all

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sorts of fascinating manner matters

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relating to UFOs and let me bring in my

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co-host chan Hana

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do do the honors of introducing them

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both good morning Jane good after good

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morning how are you Frank yes we're

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gonna have a great show today I'm gonna

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introduce some really special people I

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really enjoy talking with them we've had

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one of them multiple times on a few of

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our panels throughout the year and I'll

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start off with Keith a REM he brings

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over 20 years directing producing and

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creative leadership experience at PCB

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productions virgin interactive and

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Electronic Arts avidly curious and

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fascinated by immersive worlds a REM

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brings his visions to life through

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directing writing and producing Keith's

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passion began with contagion Capitol

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Records followed by his work with in the

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game industry as tell interrupter for

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gaming blockbuster franchises such as

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work placed him as one of the leading

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directors in the game industry directing

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celebrities such as Sam Worthington Gary

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Oldman Ed Harris Michael Keaton headress

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Elba and others Arum launched los

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angeles-based PCB productions where he

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focuses on immersive content creation by

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blending technology with entertainment

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directing and producing over 600 titles

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a REM has been at the forefront of

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combining emergent technologies into

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traditional storytelling Iran's creative

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appetite is a combination of vision and

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execution a REMS award-winning graphic

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novel and cinematic app I an FEX

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attracted millions of interactions

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through a unique alternate reality

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experience a REMS immersive cross-media

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an elaborate viral marketing campaign

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generating millions of engagements

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worldwide in addition to his upcoming

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game franchises Aram is currently

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developing his first original television

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as well as producing a multi-platform

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Fox and Disney one of our other guests

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Dean Alioto I have had the privilege and

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honor of interviewing multiple times

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he's a great individual we've come to

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know and has become a friend of Franken

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ours said he studied film at both

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University of Southern California and

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footage movie alien abduction incident

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in Lake County features a family being

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abducted by aliens as told from the

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point of view of a family members home

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video camera the footage was purportedly

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international awards the dark satire was

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praised by variety singling out Ally

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with actors Alioto second film le Dix

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told the story of two Los Angeles

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detectives who pitched their real-life

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cases to Hollywood the film went on to

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receive the Spirit Award at the Toronto

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thriving on writing and directing movies

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in various genres a Liotta's next film

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addition to filmmaking

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Uncle Bob and the Wonderland Express

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welcome both of you to our show we're so

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good morning can I make one little

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change yes please do can we flip those

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BIOS wanted to ask you about that

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is the department well the DOJ kind of

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went after you on that can you what's

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the story behind that was a very

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interesting experience so when we

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film was going to inspire people to jump

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all the incidents that were sort of tied

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that incident so we had created fake

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news sites missing-person sites we had

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investigative journalists and all these

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twenty websites that we created and

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about a dozen social media characters

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we were shooting the movie and we kind

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of hit it all over the internet like a

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scavenger hunt so people would find all

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the footage and if they heard about our

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story if they looked it up they wouldn't

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find the film site they would find some

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real site and we partnered up with

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normally never support an independent

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film and especially a UFO film talking

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all these hidden websites we had so we

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still up it's called Maricopa missing

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comm and it was the original site that

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looking site that you could go there and

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you'd see these cases these long-term

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unresolved cases of these four guys they

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authentic so I had it hidden privately

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registered through your your European

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ISP and basically nothing would come

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back to me because the people saw key

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their arm and call of duty and

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everything else they would know that

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this is just a viral campaign so we got

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this very interesting very scared letter

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company in Germany where we had it

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government is demanding that they turn

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them within the next 48 hours or they

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authorities and so we were like what the

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heck is this at this attache dossier and

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our website one of our websites this

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Maricopa missing site and it's basically

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accusing us that we're impersonating a

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government agency we're not a dot gov or

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anything but that we are using the site

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missing guys who are basically actors

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thousand dollar fine and a fight

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imprisonment nice and so they had no

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idea these actors these are just actors

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didn't investigate the people they just

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thought were using the public to track

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these guys down and so it was a little

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tense a couple dates and we've got our

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lawyers on the DOJ they could laugh

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about it and they said well move the

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disclaimers to the front page and so if

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you go there you'll notice at the bottom

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it says we're not affiliated with the

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Department of Justice in any way but but

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that campaign had been going for two

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years before the film started and we

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posters and other things and there's an

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800 number there that you can call and

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it's a real number you can call it

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there's hidden extensions that we give

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out and if you leave a message you

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actually opt into our viral campaign and

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then it transcribes your message and has

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a wave file that we can then put up on

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our websites so it's kind of a fun what

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we call an Arg an alternate reality game

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and it really pulled people in very

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similar to what the Blair Witch Project

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begin with and we were kind of following

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suit with that and then bringing it for

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our film nice they basically got

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Justice because of her viral campaign

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and fictional characters exactly Keitha

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you based the movie off the Phoenix

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lights incident which is something that

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really happened back in 97 what was it

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about that particular case that got your

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attention well I grew up in Arizona the

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thing that was really bad

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everyone Arizona kind of knows that

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event because 30,000 people witnessed

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this fleet of lights that went from the

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Nevada border all the way down across

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reports that the airport may have shut

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was these weird conspiracies about it

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he brought out his chief of staff and an

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alien costume with handcuffs and said

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that's who was responsible but then when

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he stepped down from office he actually

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came out and said he did see a

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spacecraft or multiple spacecraft John

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investigation the vice mayor did an

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investigation she was sort of out stood

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because of all of her prying into what

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was going on but there's so many other

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things that were going on during that

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unbelievably high number of

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deaths unexplained cattle deaths but

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hey Bob comet was coming

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the closest point to the earth and

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people going out to see it because you

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could see it with a naked eye and

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Heaven's Gate cult which used to be

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based in Phoenix moved had just moved

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400 miles away to Rancho Santa Fe and

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shadow that was in the trail of the

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comet and they thought this may have

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been a spaceship coming to take him off

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the planet and it was the largest mass

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suicide in US history so all those

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of each other and two of the pilots that

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who flew the a-10s that were reportedly

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the ones who dropped the flares that the

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military blamed the sighting on two of

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those pilots died mysteriously

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and knowing all these stories being able

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to tell a fictional story of my

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characters weaving through this history

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could be a great way to inspire people

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to start to doing the research and

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looking into the conspiracies behind

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this and and but what was I was kind of

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formulating an idea about this and while

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I was working on the call of duty see

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we used to work with a tremendous amount

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of I'm still do a lot of military

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advisors and other people that come from

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all walks of the military and a lot of

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these guys knowing I came from Arizona

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would after our sessions and working

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with the actors would then come and say

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hey well you know if you're from Arizona

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you know about the Phoenix lights right

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and I was like of course everyone knows

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about the Phoenix lights and they would

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say yeah but do you know what really

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happened and these would be guys that

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would be sharing stories with me about

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the pilot sightings and what happened

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and didn't want to go on record because

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of some of the the way that the pilots

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and military get treated when they would

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report things that were unidentified and

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going back to our conversation from last

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week that was like a really big thing a

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lot of these pilots it's one of the

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first times that you're seeing pilots

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actively coming forward and risking

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being chastised within the military so I

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was sort of getting wind of this five or

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six years ago or a little bit more when

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I was writing my script so I decided to

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sort of incorporate this idea of a Navy

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pilot coming forward and admitting to a

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military engagement that took place over

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these great mountains back in 97 and

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we've the story of my guys who witnessed

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this event all in the backdrop of all

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these different conspiracy theories and

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other ideas that was going on in Arizona

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at the time so it was a great first

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movie to kind of play in a fictional

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space wanted to let our listeners know

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who are not aware of this event there

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are some people out there that are not

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familiar with this mass sighting that

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occurred over the US states of Arizona

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Nevada and the Mexican state of Sonora

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on March 13th in 1997 Keith your Phoenix

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incident film was launched in 2016

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nationwide in theaters over five hundred

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cities with Cinemark AMC and Regal

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theaters and expanded its release in

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2016 with fathom events using those

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theaters to stream a broadcast of that

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movie premiered this movie also at UFO

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Congress with Alejandro Rojas and at the

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Roswell festival a couple years ago is

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that correct yeah it was phenomenal just

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this is my first film and I've been

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working in games and music and animation

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and other things for years but to

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can I take my student film this was just

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for me to kind of learn how to get

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behind the camera to be able to have

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that much reception and and sort of get

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introduced to this amazing community was

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phenomenal and to have the alejandro and

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the international UFO congress be able

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to host us and we shot a roundtable

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there

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we interviewed maybe 200 eyewitnesses

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and also UFO experts in the community

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and that was really sort of my entry

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into this world that I really didn't

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know a lot about I've done a lot of

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research but didn't know a lot of people

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in the community and so going through

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Roswell going to the AI UFO see being an

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alien con and becoming friends with Nick

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Pope and Stanton Friedman and Alejandro

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Rojas and at least Spiegel these were

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like kind of my mentors and started

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teaching me the ropes of what I really

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needed to pay attention to now that I

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did a movie that was really stirring

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Australia I mentioned that yeah I was

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gonna ask you about that

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how would that project was regarding

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Nick poke Stanford man least beagle and

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Alejandro Rojas can you go into that a

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little bit

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sure so so when we were launching the

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film fathom events was going to do a

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nationwide release of the film in five

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hundred cities and as part of that they

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had asked us to produce some additional

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content that would be unique to the

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broadcast of the film so we'd show the

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film and then have this additional

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content so we premiered the movie at the

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International UFO Congress for about

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five or six thousand people and then

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immediately after that Stanton Friedman

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and Alejandro Rojas and Lee Spiegel and

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Nick Pope all sat down with me for about

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a couple hours and we shot this

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roundtable discussion called full

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disclosure and we really went into the

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fact and fiction behind the movie and

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the Phoenix lights and talked about the

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event talked about the reality of you

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know why these things happen you know

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these events have been reported over

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years especially the black triangle

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craft that we're kind of called out both

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at the Phoenix incident and Belgium and

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a lot of other events in the past and so

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it was amazing for me just to be in the

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room with these guys and asking them the

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same kind of questions we're talking

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here

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but really dive into these cases and

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understand why there's similarities why

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the military has been reluctant to

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reporting these these events and why my

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film was sort of touching on a lot of

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these these points and that and leading

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into why we did like so interesting

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about our film and what's been happening

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recently is we shot a lot of footage

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from the military's point of view in our

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movie we shot on FLIR cameras were you

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actually involved a lot of like real

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military sort of footage and composited

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our footage into that so it looks very

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realistic and that was released as part

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of our UFO campaign or our sort of our

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viral campaign so when all the footage

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from the Nimitz and for the tic-tock

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footage and the gimbal footage started

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to come out people thought this is part

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of our viral campaign and I'm just shot

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up into the top 10 on iTunes this last

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year and has been doing very very well

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again and so I was never intending to

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hoax people or try to sort of use that

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to sort of betray sort of the interest

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in researching what's going on our

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interest was really to promote the idea

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that younger generations will start

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researching what's really going on and

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it's finally starting to come out and

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especially yeah you had mentioned before

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we came on that alejandra tried to

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debunk you when he first saw a viral

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campaign between the Justice Department

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and Alejandro trying to debunk you you

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were having a tough road to get get

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there we were we were yeah we were

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having a kind of a rough start because I

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started the viral campaign a couple

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years before and we're creating these

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websites and spraying these viral

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characters these social media characters

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and and starting to release footage and

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Alejandro who's very well researched and

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and very knowledgeable and really pays

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the most attention to all the details

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that are out there and was also hosting

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a show out in Phoenix he found our viral

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campaign on a number of different areas

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and he reached out to one of our main

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investigators are quote-unquote

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investigators and was talking about the

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fact that he had footage john greenwald

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from the black vault also had

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information and he wrote to us and a

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number of other people who were very

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well researched

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started right to us because they saw the

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footage we were putting out that looked

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very real and I was still about a year

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away from releasing the movie and I

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couldn't spill the beans I couldn't

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acknowledge what we were doing so I was

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sort of playing silence which did not go

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over well with Alejandro

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so Alejandro doing more and more

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research and one of the investigators in

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our campaign on one of our sites minded

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we have dozens and dozens of sites on

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one of the sites there was a picture of

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one of the investigators and it was an

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actor it was one of our actors James

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Patrick Stewart who portrays one of the

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investigators and and James Patrick

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Stewart is also well known because he's

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on he was in Seinfeld he was in General

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Hospital he's been in a lot of movies

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and television shows I work with him in

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a lot of video games and someone or

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someone Alejandra's company recognized

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that actor recognized him from our viral

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campaign and put it together that all

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these were connected and he said this

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must be fake massive article and on on

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his and his broadcast show and said I

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don't know who these guys are but this

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is if this is fake that means this must

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be fake that means this is fake and he

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connected everything a year before

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everything was coming out and I knew

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people were gonna figure this out but I

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did figure is gonna be alejandro so

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quickly so I was actually talking with

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Alejandro's boss about doing a

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television show about the documentary

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about what we were gonna do so I reached

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out to his boss and I said hey your guy

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is about to unravel everything that

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we're about to do for this movie and he

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said yeah he goes he picks us really

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seriously he police's the internet you

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know and he doesn't like and I said well

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I'm trying to hoax I'm trying I'm trying

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to educate people and get them excited

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about this subject matter because when

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you go to the UFO festivals the youngest

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person in the room is like 55 or 60

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years old you don't you don't see these

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18 year olds excited about aliens but

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every movie and every video game is

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about aliens but and they we just sort

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of take it for granted that aliens exist

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it's like how can they not but but all

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the research is all done by a different

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generation so this movie was really

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meant to sort of inspire younger

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generation you get involved which it's

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been doing and with 20 million people we

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were starting to really do that and so

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he said so Alejandro's boss says yeah he

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goes you got to call him and you got to

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talk to him and so I called up Alejandro

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and boy that first conversation he goes

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well you know what it's my job to expose

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people like you and and I was like I'm

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like hey hey hey this is not what it's

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about and so we had we had this like

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two-hour conversation and over the pier

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of this conversation he he got it he

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understood what I was trying to do and

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he goes wow you're you're not trying to

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hook thing you are trying to bring this

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awareness through you know making people

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think this is real and then they find

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all the research right and so so we

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ended up becoming really good friends

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over the period period of this phone

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call and at the end of the call he we

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kind of had a moment of silence there

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and he said well I was like well what

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are we gonna do and he goes well you

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gotta come on my show and you gotta talk

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about this and I was like well well wait

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a second might might borrow campaigns

549
00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:25,350
that is still going my movies not come

550
00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:27,630
out for another year how are we gonna do

551
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,390
that and he goes well I have to I can't

552
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:32,280
ignore this I've already you know put

553
00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:33,570
out articles I've already talked about

554
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,070
this I have to tell people what's going

555
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:37,440
on so we came up with this really

556
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:38,970
interesting idea because he has millions

557
00:22:45,050 --> 00:22:42,570
of listeners to his to his show and so

558
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:45,060
what we decided to do was we came up

559
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:48,090
with a hashtag that says disclosed now

560
00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:51,330
and any part of our viral campaign that

561
00:22:57,530 --> 00:22:53,940
we released would be this hashtag

562
00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:57,540
disclosed now and anytime the audience

563
00:23:02,030 --> 00:22:59,340
saw that and we revealed this to all his

564
00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:02,040
listeners to say look we have the

565
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:03,990
fiction of the movie and we don't want

566
00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:05,730
the moviegoers and the regular audience

567
00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:08,190
to blow sort of the surprise of what's

568
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:09,960
going on but we also don't want people

569
00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:11,220
think we're hosting so if you're in the

570
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:13,500
community and you see just closed now

571
00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:16,200
that means it's us and you know that

572
00:23:19,820 --> 00:23:18,030
we're not faking anyone this is where

573
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:19,830
you guys have inside knowledge but for

574
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:20,850
the rest of the world kind of keep the

575
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,110
secret so they kind of enjoy the

576
00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:24,000
spoilers work and that's how we ended up

577
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:25,950
launching the movie and we went to the I

578
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,570
UFO see and then premiered there and

579
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,640
then the rest kind of went forward so

580
00:23:34,790 --> 00:23:32,400
question how did you

581
00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:34,800
how did you meet the person that we all

582
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:37,830
love to have on our panels on a regular

583
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,820
and that's Dean Alioto so so interesting

584
00:23:48,170 --> 00:23:46,740
story and Dean Dean's gonna bite yeah I

585
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:48,180
think I want Dean to kind of weigh in

586
00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:49,500
from his perspective because we had a

587
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:51,990
really good laugh about this much much

588
00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:54,630
after the fact so when I was writing the

589
00:24:00,740 --> 00:23:57,420
script for the for the movie I was

590
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,750
approached by a pretty very large film

591
00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:03,120
producer and an investor this investor

592
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:04,350
that was interested in financing the

593
00:24:09,530 --> 00:24:06,330
film was working with this film producer

594
00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:09,540
and they really loved the concept of

595
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:11,190
what I was trying to do this idea of a

596
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:13,290
documentary that has found footage in it

597
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:16,620
and putting this thing together and the

598
00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:18,210
investor said well you know we actually

599
00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:21,180
had the rights to this other film that's

600
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,900
a found footage alien film and we want

601
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:26,280
to make this film and we want you to

602
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:29,610
direct it so I was like okay

603
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:32,100
and so they presented me with the story

604
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:34,530
and the idea of it and and what it turns

605
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,340
out it was based on this film that had

606
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,520
been done years before and had been

607
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:42,960
released very secretly and had been

608
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,140
remade but it was really the original

609
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,780
the very first found footage film out

610
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:50,640
there before Blair Witch before anything

611
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:53,460
else and the film had sort of been lost

612
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:56,910
and then videos of it had kind of leaked

613
00:25:01,280 --> 00:24:59,700
online and as each of the videos had

614
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:01,290
been copied especially because there are

615
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:03,240
analog copies they had been degraded and

616
00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:05,630
degraded and it made the footage look

617
00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:08,430
much much more authentic to the point

618
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:10,830
that it became like this real debated

619
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:13,020
sighting and this this sort of alien

620
00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:16,290
abduction story of this family in this

621
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:18,540
cabin in the woods that witnessed this

622
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:22,770
event and so so it was a different story

623
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:24,120
than what I was doing but kind of in the

624
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,370
same space and so we've gone forward

625
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:28,320
about this they wanted me to direct it

626
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:31,140
it turns out that the producer said well

627
00:25:36,170 --> 00:25:32,970
actually the guy who originally did this

628
00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:36,180
he's going to direct it and so they were

629
00:25:39,050 --> 00:25:37,590
gonna finance both films and then

630
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:39,060
finally the whole thing kind of fell

631
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:40,500
apart as a lot of things do in Hollywood

632
00:25:45,170 --> 00:25:42,930
I went on my own way had already written

633
00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:45,180
my script and shots and test footage

634
00:25:48,290 --> 00:25:46,950
and went and shot my film and never

635
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,300
ended moving forward with them

636
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:50,880
turns out years later I ended up getting

637
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:53,370
introduced to Dean and it was Dean's

638
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:55,290
film it was deemed that was doing it and

639
00:25:58,580 --> 00:25:57,210
the whole controversy between him

640
00:26:00,500 --> 00:25:58,590
directing and me directing and these

641
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,510
film producers try to kind of fight

642
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:03,360
between us to do this movie kind of

643
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:05,250
stopped us from meeting and when we

644
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:08,970
realized how sort of a similar minded we

645
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:11,880
were in our same sort of interests and

646
00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:14,130
approach to filmmaking and and this idea

647
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:16,680
of sort of inspiring the audience the

648
00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:19,350
kind of films we were making we've

649
00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:21,750
become pretty close friends and so it's

650
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,160
been a great experience getting to know

651
00:26:27,290 --> 00:26:25,980
Dean and we ended up hanging out at the

652
00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:27,300
International UFO Congress with

653
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:28,950
Alejandro who is the one ended up

654
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,650
putting us together and and now here we

655
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,880
are together on the same show together

656
00:26:41,150 --> 00:26:35,760
and some projects together

657
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:41,160
is that true Dean I can neither confirm

658
00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:47,310
nor deny anything that he ever says no

659
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:49,800
it's it's pretty accurate and that's a

660
00:26:54,140 --> 00:26:52,230
nice version of what we encountered with

661
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:54,150
this producer where she was working both

662
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:58,260
of us and it's a bummer because it was

663
00:27:01,880 --> 00:26:59,640
funny I keep and I hung out the other

664
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:01,890
day and I turn to Keith and I said you

665
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:04,020
know it's it's really said that that the

666
00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:06,270
producers didn't realize that if they

667
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:08,670
team us up they could have done so much

668
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:13,500
more damage place and really blown this

669
00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:15,510
out huge instead of you know trying to

670
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:18,540
take one from another but yeah and again

671
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Alejandro he's the great what's the word

672
00:27:31,210 --> 00:27:29,250
Yenta again you know Keith when we were

673
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:31,220
at alien Con which is where Keith and I

674
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:37,230
met he's he has his mind works as an

675
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:38,730
engineer which I appreciate is I'm

676
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:41,190
always with your filmmaker you are an

677
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:43,410
engineer or you you're a magician I mean

678
00:27:48,050 --> 00:27:46,380
this is what we do and and and Keith

679
00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:48,060
looks at everything it's kind of like

680
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:49,680
okay I know that this is how it works

681
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:52,770
well why why don't we do it this way and

682
00:27:57,530 --> 00:27:55,380
and we're doing that the things that but

683
00:27:59,030 --> 00:27:57,540
I feel like I've done in my career that

684
00:28:00,200 --> 00:27:59,040
have done well I've always been faith

685
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:00,210
it's like I know they're doing it this

686
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:02,730
way but I'm excited about looking at now

687
00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:05,100
from this angle and so back when I did

688
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:07,800
the original and 89 the original UFO

689
00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:11,520
abduction we didn't have online you know

690
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:14,190
really personal computers at the time to

691
00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:18,090
this extent so we used smoke signals of

692
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:20,070
Morse code to get all of our viral now

693
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,010
that's a joke campaign oh no this is an

694
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:29,340
example of you know Keith you know

695
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:30,900
looking at something and doing that and

696
00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:35,190
also we're storytellers you know whether

697
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:37,350
we're working in the space of um you

698
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:39,210
know whether I'm doing TV movies or

699
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:41,730
music videos commercials whatever we're

700
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:43,080
trying to tell stories and you know

701
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,090
Keith with certainly with the video

702
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:47,840
games it's all telling stories and it's

703
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,820
you know the more they're based on

704
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,220
actual effect the more authentic they

705
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:55,080
have the more they resonate with a

706
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,450
person and so you know before

707
00:29:02,360 --> 00:28:59,840
found-footage there was the cavemen our

708
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,370
campfire and so this is just an

709
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:05,340
extension of that and Dean I wanted to

710
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:07,470
talk about you for a moment you did a

711
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:10,130
lifetime film that came out last month

712
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:12,510
wanted to cover that and also wanted to

713
00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:14,730
mention that you're looking forward to

714
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:17,300
the Fantastic Fest in Austin that does

715
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,530
genre films it's in a month and a half

716
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:22,200
and it will have the 30th anniversary of

717
00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:24,870
your UFO abduction film there it will

718
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:27,030
have its first theatrical release there

719
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:28,650
and it will be released to a dozen

720
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:31,320
theaters and they premiered bad times at

721
00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:33,090
Hotel del Rey in the Halloween movie

722
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:36,990
there and also there could be possibly a

723
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:41,040
third installment of alien abduction so

724
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,710
that correct I always junk your

725
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:52,080
abduction has been the gift that keeps

726
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:52,620
on giving

727
00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:56,310
it has more more lives than Frankenstein

728
00:30:01,070 --> 00:29:57,990
just keeps going and going and this is

729
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:01,080
one of the things where because it was

730
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:02,580
done a while ago there are a lot of kids

731
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:06,720
who had seen if not the original saw the

732
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:08,730
remake at the UPN alien abduction

733
00:30:12,649 --> 00:30:10,950
instant Lake County also known as an

734
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:12,659
affair sand tape

735
00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:15,539
they they grew up with it and I would

736
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:18,899
get their emails and stuff and and and

737
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,529
sometimes calls and and all wanting to

738
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:24,600
know if this was real or not and and and

739
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:26,370
some of the emails were like I still

740
00:30:33,139 --> 00:30:29,820
sleep with the lights on and one woman

741
00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:33,149
said she almost went in to choose

742
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:35,429
pregnant and she said she almost went

743
00:30:44,299 --> 00:30:42,000
into pre labor and I kind of like what's

744
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:44,309
wrong with these parents I think these

745
00:30:49,129 --> 00:30:47,399
kids watch you know this UPN thing that

746
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:49,139
says you know warning there's graphic

747
00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:50,760
footage and whatever at the beginning of

748
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:52,950
it and then there are a couple

749
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:54,659
filmmakers that came from down at

750
00:30:57,710 --> 00:30:56,220
Toronto if you're called a vicious

751
00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:57,720
brothers and they're great and they're

752
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:59,010
working the space whenever they make a

753
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:01,950
movie they sneak in a line of one of my

754
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:06,210
films and and so they you know I said

755
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:07,710
I'm really sorry that they you know that

756
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:10,289
they did that you saw that makes it are

757
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:11,580
you kidding me this is the beginning of

758
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:13,620
my imagination I love it this was

759
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,899
fertilizer for me and so that's been

760
00:31:20,539 --> 00:31:18,179
awesome and and keith is experienced in

761
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:20,549
the same thing where this is you know it

762
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,399
boomerangs back and so the way the whole

763
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:26,039
way that the Fantastic Fest came back is

764
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:29,250
the guy who is the director of the fest

765
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:32,610
had been a fan for like 100 how many

766
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,250
years and he tracked me down and said

767
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:37,440
hey who has the right to this what's

768
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:39,779
going on this is you know your name came

769
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:42,690
up and I talked about he said you know I

770
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:44,340
I said so funny that we're talking

771
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,480
because next year this was a 2018 I said

772
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:51,000
next year it's gonna be the you know

773
00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:52,380
it's been 30 years since was thinking

774
00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:55,830
about and he said okay so we're doing

775
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,630
the 30th anniversary that's happening

776
00:32:01,879 --> 00:31:59,340
we're gonna do it at Fantastic Fest

777
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:01,889
which is this great honor festival and

778
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:04,230
as you mentioned they did the reboot of

779
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:07,230
Halloween they do tons of big genre

780
00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:08,340
stuff they're coming to South by

781
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:13,409
Southwest level of a genre film so he he

782
00:32:17,299 --> 00:32:14,940
said you know we're gonna do that and

783
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:17,309
then you know our 300 all rights

784
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:20,970
available and so I thought it was joking

785
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,190
at the time because it's theatrical this

786
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:25,860
was a VHS you know little project

787
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:29,190
and I said yeah

788
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:33,120
strangely yes they are and he said all

789
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:34,890
right well we're gonna do a theatrical

790
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:36,330
release we'd love to do that if you're

791
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:38,850
cool with that and so it was just like

792
00:32:44,419 --> 00:32:41,340
this insane phone call and this was on

793
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:44,429
the heels of alejandro reaching out to

794
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:47,370
me about doing also in 2018 doing them

795
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:49,710
the International UFO Congress

796
00:32:56,030 --> 00:32:52,880
convention given a 75 minute lecture and

797
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:56,040
on the film's and the wax journey that

798
00:33:00,919 --> 00:32:58,650
both of them took and and you know the

799
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:00,929
the infamy that that surrounds them even

800
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:03,419
to this day and so it was kind of like

801
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:07,080
it again boomerang back and and and

802
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:08,970
because of it it's you know introduced

803
00:33:14,419 --> 00:33:12,540
me to so many wonderful people in this

804
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:14,429
field that I have been kind of an

805
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:18,150
armchair expert is stretching the truth

806
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:23,570
an armchair amateur expert forever on

807
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:26,610
and everything else so to work you know

808
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,740
and again like Mike Keith to sit across

809
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:30,480
my first podcast that I ever did was

810
00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:36,000
across from Sten and and Travis Walton

811
00:33:42,650 --> 00:33:38,990
and Nick Pope and all the luminaries and

812
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:42,660
it was just insane and so you know I

813
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,010
feel really lucky to have had an

814
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:46,799
opportunity to be with you know Stanton

815
00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:48,360
and everything and so and then that kind

816
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:51,270
of you know has has led to you know

817
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:52,950
looking at this again from a whole new

818
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:54,450
angle where do we take this to the next

819
00:33:59,960 --> 00:33:57,450
step and you know and and that's kind of

820
00:34:01,720 --> 00:33:59,970
you know the Gophers what I wanted to

821
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,730
bring up something interesting and then

822
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:04,080
bring up something else after that and

823
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,880
that is you shot Nick Pope's interview

824
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:08,040
last year and you also did work for

825
00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:10,980
Travis Taylor of ancient aliens can you

826
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:13,230
talk can you touch a little bit off upon

827
00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:15,899
those topics yeah what I can tell you is

828
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:20,790
that when I was at alien Con I had

829
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:24,179
between I guess February or March and

830
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:29,070
February of 2018 and June of 2018 when I

831
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:32,940
did a link on when I was at at I UFO see

832
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:36,270
I hit on this idea which was I wanted I

833
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:38,129
saw a perspective that hadn't been

834
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:39,690
exploited yeah

835
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:44,220
in the UFO genre or the UFO research

836
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:49,050
Phil and so I hit on this idea and so

837
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:51,510
while I was speaking that alien con I am

838
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:54,270
I just reached out to Nick and started

839
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:56,310
videotaping him and I had a list of

840
00:34:59,839 --> 00:34:57,690
questions and stuff that were leading us

841
00:35:04,220 --> 00:34:59,849
into that direction and then interview

842
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:04,230
Travis and Travis was interesting

843
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:06,599
because he interviewed over something

844
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,510
would be sphere but crying yeah it's

845
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:11,040
good a while but yeah I've seen it

846
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:12,900
oh the book is really good the movies in

847
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:16,680
okay so anyway it was about this guy

848
00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:18,210
that wrote this kind of briefing like if

849
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:21,150
we were to you know meet UFOs how would

850
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,890
that go down how would we do disclosure

851
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:24,660
and everything else if it you know Kim

852
00:35:30,859 --> 00:35:28,500
to that so that level a reveal and he

853
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:30,869
wrote this thing and then it actually

854
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:33,569
kind of got out there and kind of

855
00:35:40,579 --> 00:35:37,460
circulated and he became the de facto

856
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,589
head in that field in in the government

857
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,140
and so he was actually doing this where

858
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,359
he was you know created what that first

859
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:47,640
contact would be and then each name is

860
00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:49,050
heard about this and brought him on and

861
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:51,270
so he's pretty new that genre as well

862
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,220
and so I interviewed him and I and I

863
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,720
figured he had thought about what that

864
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,420
would be like and so um I can't tell you

865
00:36:03,020 --> 00:35:59,940
exactly what that perspective is but um

866
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:03,030
it's new hasn't been done before and so

867
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:05,190
interviewed you know Nick it was great

868
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,770
really funny guy it's really interesting

869
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,260
well if Keith and I we intersect with

870
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,359
all these people and they all have an

871
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:14,280
awesome sense of humor you know and I

872
00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:16,290
met Alejandro I said okay I'll speak at

873
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:18,200
the festival but I'm gonna bring levity

874
00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:21,270
because everything has it and if you

875
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:23,099
take things too serious then they're too

876
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:25,050
brittle and they break so you have to

877
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:27,510
you know have a range of of that and

878
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:29,790
everyone is you know great Earl Grey is

879
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:33,270
hysterical I mean everyone that's it is

880
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:35,849
funny I mean these guys are all you know

881
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,700
good people and so you know it's just

882
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:41,839
kind of trying to continue that and

883
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:44,310
propagate it in a positive way

884
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,510
and you know and hopefully uncover I

885
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:50,160
mean we're all trying to pull back that

886
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:53,290
you know sheets on this

887
00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:55,420
you're going to be doing another project

888
00:36:58,890 --> 00:36:57,099
on the road that's close to your heart

889
00:36:59,940 --> 00:36:58,900
and it's a cross between all the

890
00:37:03,270 --> 00:36:59,950
President's Men and Close Encounters

891
00:37:04,859 --> 00:37:03,280
which is a mystery and there's an

892
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:04,869
investigative element to it that has a

893
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:07,089
deep throat kind of character as you

894
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:08,500
were saying when we talked prior to the

895
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:11,670
show it has a contemporary issue that

896
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,470
you have one you wanted to mention

897
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:16,960
actually or they make the point up and

898
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:19,089
that is newspapers going dead and

899
00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:22,089
everything is going online and the

900
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:24,760
camaraderie of working in person at a

901
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:27,820
newspaper in that close-knit reporter

902
00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:29,970
type community in a smaller newspaper is

903
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,640
disappearing it's becoming extinct can

904
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:35,440
you tell us a little bit about that

905
00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:40,990
project it basic story is about a

906
00:37:47,069 --> 00:37:45,220
reporter and a blogger who they it's on

907
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:47,079
it's on the crust I mean it's it's been

908
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:48,700
going on for some time so it's nothing

909
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:52,690
new that that print is you know on the

910
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:55,270
way out the door and and even though

911
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:57,010
going green it's great for the trees and

912
00:38:01,470 --> 00:37:58,920
everything there's just something about

913
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,480
you know that paper landing on your

914
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:03,760
doorstep open it up and snowing that

915
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:08,230
chalk you know paper that the smell of

916
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:10,180
it opening it's like kind of you know

917
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:12,190
opening a gift on every page and that

918
00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:16,690
that tactile thing is going away and and

919
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,300
this was kind of coming from my morning

920
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:21,760
of that and and even a lot of people

921
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:23,500
papers have been able to keep both some

922
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:25,720
now are phasing out even even bet and so

923
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:27,849
it's all online and so here's a young

924
00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:29,380
reporter who's really trying to get his

925
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:32,440
start going before it happens in his

926
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:34,210
paper it's been announced that it's it's

927
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,890
um it is going to be ending and 30 days

928
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:40,720
who's got 30 days ago his first front

929
00:38:47,809 --> 00:38:44,230
page and excuse me front page

930
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:47,819
you know article and enter a blogger who

931
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:50,140
young blogger who comes into it he's

932
00:38:53,309 --> 00:38:52,030
gonna write for the paper and he's going

933
00:38:58,770 --> 00:38:53,319
to be doing his opinions and stuff and

934
00:39:02,760 --> 00:38:58,780
so this story actually starts a briefly

935
00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:02,770
year before then when there is a vehicle

936
00:39:06,970 --> 00:39:04,869
that crash lands on the moon in it's so

937
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:06,980
big that you can't hide

938
00:39:12,910 --> 00:39:10,760
government can hide it and so it starts

939
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:12,920
from there and then we cut back to it

940
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:14,810
movie begins a year later it's these two

941
00:39:20,349 --> 00:39:17,330
guys meeting up and they discover this

942
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:20,359
thread this this conspiracy threatened

943
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:22,609
they start to tug at it and it seems to

944
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:24,590
break off but it doesn't it keeps

945
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:27,109
pulling and unraveling and so very much

946
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:28,520
like all the President's Men

947
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:32,150
it's these these two young bucks if you

948
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,730
will who discover this thing and it goes

949
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:36,560
on and on and the themes that are laid

950
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:41,320
in all throughout is from fake news to

951
00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:43,580
respecting the research that goes in

952
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:45,740
because you're you know opinion bloggers

953
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:47,630
Huffington Post all these you know great

954
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:49,310
publications they're still these are

955
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:52,250
just opinions second real word opinion a

956
00:39:59,770 --> 00:39:55,609
nurse are on it is now the opinion NATO

957
00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:59,780
and so um so it's it's hitting on that

958
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:02,800
and it's also at its core which is

959
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:07,040
factoring into to my work a lot is the

960
00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:08,990
environment and what we're doing and how

961
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:12,470
we don't have an appreciation for this

962
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:14,930
planet and everything that they're we're

963
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,510
doing right now is you know screwing

964
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:20,240
that it's kind of like you know we've

965
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:21,470
had a great party and now we're gonna

966
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:23,570
set the party on fire as we leave so the

967
00:40:27,849 --> 00:40:25,670
other people in line don't get

968
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:27,859
experienced it that's kind of how it is

969
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:29,630
I mean it's kind of a crass way to to

970
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:30,590
say it but that's we're doing this

971
00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:34,850
planning so it's about that and a few

972
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:37,460
other things but but that's high on my

973
00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:41,570
list to do as soon as possible and get

974
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,460
that going we're looking at casting

975
00:40:48,609 --> 00:40:46,640
right now so we'll see well my advice is

976
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:48,619
to get up some fake documents and put

977
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:52,180
those out there and now that all the

978
00:41:01,210 --> 00:40:59,260
wanted to mention I'm forgive me if you

979
00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:01,220
mentioned this because my audio broke up

980
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:04,280
it's my fault Dean but my understands

981
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:05,540
you're working on a sci-fi thriller

982
00:41:11,830 --> 00:41:08,210
related projects where women save

983
00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:11,840
themselves in these jeopardy related or

984
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:14,630
type films is that correct am I saying

985
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,130
that correctly yeah so there's been a

986
00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:20,480
huge market

987
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:23,600
four years from the femme fatale way

988
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:25,609
back in the 30s and 40s

989
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:28,010
film noir happened after him you dropped

990
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:29,570
the bomb because we had lost her

991
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:31,430
innocence and so he had once great Sam

992
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:34,460
fuller films and Park Avenue always

993
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:37,970
awesome awesome films and and you know

994
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,820
Hitchcock they had an industry out of it

995
00:41:45,849 --> 00:41:42,800
you know the man would always save the

996
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:45,859
women at the end well my mother raised

997
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:47,810
three boys on her own

998
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:50,390
we always rented a home she did it

999
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:52,490
without a credit card we were all

1000
00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:54,020
working since we were kids from paper

1001
00:42:00,190 --> 00:41:55,400
outs you know mowing lawns to paper

1002
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:00,200
rounds etc she was also an activist and

1003
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:03,350
had a newsletter across the country it

1004
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,270
was about surviving single motherhood

1005
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:07,760
and so she was dragging us I mean this

1006
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:09,470
is after Vietnam but she's dragging us

1007
00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:15,410
to to all of these rallies and protests

1008
00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:17,900
to make sure Vietnam doesn't happen

1009
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:20,900
again and so we had I mean went to this

1010
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:22,730
like no nukes thing with Jane Fonda has

1011
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,170
kids and stuff she dragged us to all

1012
00:42:30,099 --> 00:42:27,200
these things and so I'm looking women is

1013
00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:30,109
you know by and large strong and a lot

1014
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:31,580
of ways stronger than men and so the

1015
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:35,000
idea of these female in jeopardy you

1016
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:36,440
know having a genre called female in

1017
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,630
jeopardy is just asinine and so I

1018
00:42:42,099 --> 00:42:40,400
thought how can you work in that space

1019
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:42,109
because again it's an opportunity you

1020
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,210
know Keith and I as you mentioned you

1021
00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:45,680
know looking at a space how can we look

1022
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:48,260
at it from a different angle and and and

1023
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:50,450
get into it and put some more realism

1024
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:54,050
into it and so I started working in the

1025
00:43:00,670 --> 00:42:55,550
genre the first and it was a

1026
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:00,680
supernatural you know female in jeopardy

1027
00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:04,490
but it's actually more about a woman who

1028
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:06,280
suffers from PTSD

1029
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:09,560
she has Eisler phobia which is fear of

1030
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:13,070
being alone and so she has to deal with

1031
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:16,010
her past in order to remedy her current

1032
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:18,260
situation which is stuck in a cabin out

1033
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,810
in the woods after an avalanche by

1034
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:23,119
herself and she's got to confront her

1035
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,660
demons and so um and and she's also gay

1036
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:29,119
which is for me putting you know

1037
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:33,260
diversity into any injected into any

1038
00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:34,010
story

1039
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,870
you know the more you do it the less you

1040
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:38,450
make it this unique thing the more you

1041
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:40,850
normalize it so it's not an issue it's

1042
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:42,020
just this is who we are this is the

1043
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:44,450
fabric of who we are and so I've got a

1044
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:45,890
few other things like that and the TV

1045
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:49,100
movie the Lifetime movie Tina I did was

1046
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:52,850
also that concept real briefly was about

1047
00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:55,010
a young girl whose father had passed

1048
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:58,070
away a year before she's about to about

1049
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:00,380
the college and so it's down to the

1050
00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:01,730
wife's like six months away and she's

1051
00:44:05,050 --> 00:44:03,380
gonna be taken off and and her mom

1052
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:05,060
hasn't been dating she's all alone and

1053
00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:06,770
she feels protective and she wants her

1054
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:08,540
to have her man and have a husband and

1055
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:11,270
and and and be taken care of while she's

1056
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:14,270
away and so she engineers going online

1057
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:16,850
and you know tracking down a suitor and

1058
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:18,410
everything seems great turns out this

1059
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:23,420
guy is a complete yeah he

1060
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:25,610
collapsed the mother and you know

1061
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:27,380
terrorizes them and everything and

1062
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:29,810
ultimately they take this guy out and

1063
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:33,080
the last scene is her you know the

1064
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:34,520
mother and the daughter realizing that

1065
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:37,010
it's okay to be alone it's okay to have

1066
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,050
a lone time you don't need to be

1067
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:40,880
partnered up you can you can have that

1068
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:42,230
and you can have your own life and

1069
00:44:48,970 --> 00:44:46,400
that's that's enough and so yeah so

1070
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:48,980
that's kind of the themes that I'm you

1071
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:51,230
know I think you're exploring them in a

1072
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:54,290
commercial space Dean is it true that

1073
00:45:01,090 --> 00:44:56,330
you might be at the Austin Film Festival

1074
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:01,100
in November yeah well we'll see

1075
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:04,090
I did a the end of the year I did this

1076
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:08,150
supernatural thriller comedy called

1077
00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:11,510
portal and we're locking distribution

1078
00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:14,360
right now and so I'm not sure what they

1079
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:16,670
coming out you know marketing or plans

1080
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:19,630
are going to be for announced it but

1081
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:22,670
that's one possible thing there the

1082
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:25,070
other is a couple other scripts and

1083
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,710
projects so I only you know as we get

1084
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,180
closer they're the thing that we did

1085
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:31,760
portal was really fun because again that

1086
00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:35,450
was that concept there is about fake

1087
00:45:42,730 --> 00:45:37,940
news and it's in the guise of here are

1088
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:42,740
these guys these low-rent you Ghost

1089
00:45:47,490 --> 00:45:46,610
Hunters who are the most honest Ghost

1090
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:47,500
Hunters out there

1091
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:48,940
that they don't have a lot of raids

1092
00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:50,290
because they're not seeing ghosts every

1093
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,700
single time to go out like all these

1094
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:54,160
other ghost shows and then the hits

1095
00:45:58,770 --> 00:45:57,010
the fan as they start augmenting and so

1096
00:46:03,120 --> 00:45:58,780
as they go from real news to fake news

1097
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,130
this happens and and you know wanted to

1098
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:04,960
mentioned I'm sorry if you already

1099
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:07,000
mentioned this I apologize just let me

1100
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:09,970
know if you did James Fox and you are

1101
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:13,000
working together on a project is that

1102
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:18,390
correct it's too premature to say that

1103
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:23,140
James we've intersected on a phone call

1104
00:46:28,770 --> 00:46:26,530
and so are not a few phone calls and

1105
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:28,780
stuff I'm very very interested in what

1106
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:31,870
James does and in this field every time

1107
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:33,640
he does something that's usually moving

1108
00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:36,610
the needle up further and so he's got

1109
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:37,840
this great project that he's been

1110
00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:41,440
working on for a few years now and it

1111
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:43,150
you know I've seen the footage it's

1112
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:45,640
amazing but I can't really can't wait if

1113
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:47,650
I can help him in any way I will he

1114
00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:51,520
doesn't need my help but we're you know

1115
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:54,460
trying to connect when he's in town here

1116
00:47:00,330 --> 00:46:57,190
or when I'm in the Bay Area there and so

1117
00:47:01,530 --> 00:47:00,340
yeah before we moved back onto keith

1118
00:47:03,330 --> 00:47:01,540
again because i have quite a few

1119
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:03,340
questions for keith i wanted to ask him

1120
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:06,070
i wanted to ask you regarding the panel

1121
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:08,530
you were on with us where we reviewed

1122
00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:10,780
the unidentified a series from The

1123
00:47:13,350 --> 00:47:11,500
History Channel

1124
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:13,360
were there any last things you wanted to

1125
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:17,530
say about that that topic I had your

1126
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:22,270
review of it well we had done a whole

1127
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:24,310
bunch of notes so we all took per

1128
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:26,530
episode and as you know there were about

1129
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:30,850
seven right yes I think it would have

1130
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:32,500
been the longest podcast in the history

1131
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:37,930
of every episode down I would say you

1132
00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:41,380
know in in summary random thoughts I

1133
00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:44,340
thought it was I thought it was really

1134
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:50,740
well conceived I thought that some of it

1135
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:51,940
was kind of stretching out what was

1136
00:47:59,820 --> 00:47:56,770
there and and but the execution of it

1137
00:48:01,079 --> 00:47:59,830
was great I love going back and forth it

1138
00:48:03,449 --> 00:48:01,089
rang me a lot

1139
00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:03,459
of all the president's men work they

1140
00:48:06,269 --> 00:48:04,719
would go out in the field and then it

1141
00:48:07,649 --> 00:48:06,279
would come back to the government you

1142
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:07,659
know and their research to almost get

1143
00:48:11,099 --> 00:48:09,249
confirmation

1144
00:48:13,289 --> 00:48:11,109
they were very transparent I mean that

1145
00:48:14,819 --> 00:48:13,299
moment where he says you know I have to

1146
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:14,829
be very careful that I'm not going out

1147
00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:15,880
you know

1148
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:17,579
Karina's perception that I'm going out

1149
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:21,640
looking for ancestors you know that I

1150
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:23,650
already know the answer to questions

1151
00:48:28,949 --> 00:48:27,369
already know the answer to and so you

1152
00:48:33,779 --> 00:48:28,959
know I think the team's interesting and

1153
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:33,789
everything you know I people I know he's

1154
00:48:38,489 --> 00:48:37,209
controversial Tom DeLonge right um you

1155
00:48:40,919 --> 00:48:38,499
know screw it it's because of him that

1156
00:48:43,169 --> 00:48:40,929
we've got a lot of this information that

1157
00:48:46,349 --> 00:48:43,179
he's been pushing that open and and so

1158
00:48:47,429 --> 00:48:46,359
we should all be rooting for him and you

1159
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:47,439
know I wish that there was a little more

1160
00:48:52,439 --> 00:48:50,169
of his music I like his music in the end

1161
00:48:56,669 --> 00:48:52,449
in the series but it's not about him and

1162
00:48:58,049 --> 00:48:56,679
I so yeah and and Lou is a very credible

1163
00:49:01,890 --> 00:48:58,059
person and all these people coming out

1164
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:01,900
and speaking um you know I I thought

1165
00:49:05,370 --> 00:49:03,369
they'd create a safe space for these

1166
00:49:07,229 --> 00:49:05,380
guys to do that which is is half of it

1167
00:49:08,459 --> 00:49:07,239
you know it's you know because the

1168
00:49:10,890 --> 00:49:08,469
people that come forward and want to

1169
00:49:12,179 --> 00:49:10,900
speak usually the ones who are screaming

1170
00:49:13,709 --> 00:49:12,189
hey look at me look at me those the ones

1171
00:49:15,569 --> 00:49:13,719
you don't really want to be intersected

1172
00:49:17,969 --> 00:49:15,579
way it's the ones that you have to go to

1173
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:17,979
and you have to say hey I know that this

1174
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:20,049
is sensitive and everything but can we

1175
00:49:24,449 --> 00:49:21,609
find a way that we can talk about this

1176
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,459
and and you know in an Integris way and

1177
00:49:30,739 --> 00:49:26,880
and so I thought overall it was a

1178
00:49:36,899 --> 00:49:30,749
success I love it when Lou when I'm

1179
00:49:39,959 --> 00:49:36,909
Louis would lose his this is real

1180
00:49:41,459 --> 00:49:39,969
when are they gonna understand like

1181
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:41,469
maybe he was yelling at the craft

1182
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:47,650
service guy peanut butter with chunky so

1183
00:49:53,429 --> 00:49:51,729
it could be about UFOs you know UFO

1184
00:49:56,399 --> 00:49:53,439
folks could be a really tough crowd when

1185
00:49:57,689 --> 00:49:56,409
it comes to criticizing TV shows and I

1186
00:49:59,489 --> 00:49:57,699
think it went over really well

1187
00:50:01,079 --> 00:49:59,499
yeah and they should be they should

1188
00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:01,089
because God knows there's enough stuff

1189
00:50:05,069 --> 00:50:03,999
out there and and and you know Keith and

1190
00:50:08,189 --> 00:50:05,079
I are doing it a whole other dimension

1191
00:50:12,839 --> 00:50:08,199
as well but um so it's ya know

1192
00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:12,849
absolutely great um Keith you have your

1193
00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:14,499
own recording studio and you direct a

1194
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:14,860
lot of

1195
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:17,650
talent regarding performances with folks

1196
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:19,300
having to do with dialogue in video

1197
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:23,130
games which is absolutely amazing and

1198
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:25,510
Adeem will probably deny this but he

1199
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:26,770
said that he thinks your work is

1200
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:33,550
phenomenal you have a full house with a

1201
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:35,290
lot of projects going on regarding video

1202
00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:36,190
games and more

1203
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:38,860
can you just flesh that out and let us

1204
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:41,770
know kind of allowed the listener to

1205
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:44,560
visualize what an average day is for you

1206
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:45,850
what it's like I'm sure it's not the

1207
00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:50,950
same everyday benefit and challenge to

1208
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:52,840
my work is that every day is something

1209
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,690
completely different I'm kind of a

1210
00:51:00,120 --> 00:50:58,480
generalist in a sense that I have a an

1211
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:00,130
engineering background and a technology

1212
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,290
background but I'm a creative at heart I

1213
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:04,720
started in the music industry so I was a

1214
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:07,450
composer and I was with biohazard and

1215
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:09,580
contagion back when I was a kid so I was

1216
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:11,590
starting off you know writing and

1217
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:13,690
producing and touring playing music and

1218
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:17,920
got into films and video games from a

1219
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:20,050
production standpoint and even though as

1220
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:24,490
a storyteller I always loved that just

1221
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:25,960
fascination of going into a movie

1222
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:27,490
theater and just losing myself and I

1223
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:29,110
never really wanted to lose that magic

1224
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:30,910
so I stayed away from films

1225
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,470
intentionally just because I didn't want

1226
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:35,680
to really know how they were made but as

1227
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,410
I got into production and through music

1228
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:40,800
and then sound that turned into me

1229
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:43,810
directing and I started working with

1230
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:47,170
actors when I was a kid just sort of

1231
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:48,910
because I was the audio guy and suddenly

1232
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:50,470
they throw me in with the celebrities

1233
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:51,910
because I was the only one who knew how

1234
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:54,190
to use the equipment and I had to record

1235
00:52:01,110 --> 00:51:58,330
the actors and as I started to really

1236
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,120
enjoy that process a lot of the actors

1237
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:03,280
and celebrities would come to me and say

1238
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:05,410
when are you doing your stuff I mean we

1239
00:52:07,890 --> 00:52:06,370
love the video games that we're doing

1240
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:07,900
but what are you going to be doing your

1241
00:52:12,690 --> 00:52:10,690
stuff and I remember I had done a

1242
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:12,700
session years ago with Gary Oldman and

1243
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,310
he was just this amazing performer to

1244
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:17,200
direct because you're you're just

1245
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:18,850
sitting back and watching him do his

1246
00:52:22,350 --> 00:52:20,770
craft and your guiding sort of the

1247
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:22,360
overall direction of the project but

1248
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:23,960
it's you're not

1249
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:25,730
you know you're just watching more than

1250
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:27,800
and learning from him and anything as a

1251
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,440
director so but he turned to me and he

1252
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:31,760
said when are you doing your projects

1253
00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:32,930
what are you what are you gonna be doing

1254
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:35,750
your your work and so I had started to

1255
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:38,330
write graphic novels and comic books

1256
00:52:42,670 --> 00:52:40,250
because I hadn't any experience writing

1257
00:52:44,140 --> 00:52:42,680
screenplays I've been working on scripts

1258
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:44,150
for games and other things but never

1259
00:52:47,590 --> 00:52:45,260
really knowing how to do a motion

1260
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:47,600
picture or television show so graphic

1261
00:52:52,270 --> 00:52:48,890
novels were sort of the the first

1262
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:52,280
inroads for what I was doing and my

1263
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:54,650
first one that I was working on was this

1264
00:52:59,650 --> 00:52:56,990
this dream that I had had about these

1265
00:53:01,930 --> 00:52:59,660
angels and demons that were fighting in

1266
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:01,940
this purgatory this this war called the

1267
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:04,460
purgatory wars and it was his

1268
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,610
post-apocalyptic heaven where these

1269
00:53:10,810 --> 00:53:08,480
legions were fighting these endless

1270
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:10,820
battles with no end in sight and not

1271
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:12,530
even knowing what caused this more and

1272
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:15,470
because heaven had been destroyed souls

1273
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:17,810
couldn't sort of recreate through this

1274
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:20,330
to the cycle of life so these angels

1275
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:22,550
started sending their strongest warriors

1276
00:53:28,090 --> 00:53:24,650
down to earth and harvesting these souls

1277
00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:28,100
into the purgatory wars and Sony was

1278
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:29,860
this big dream that I had I ended up

1279
00:53:36,460 --> 00:53:33,410
sort of writing this story as a comic

1280
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:36,470
book or as a graphic novel and a friend

1281
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,780
of mine who was a large film writer saw

1282
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:40,400
this and he said wow you know this is a

1283
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:41,690
graphic novel you have to get this

1284
00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:43,910
published and we sent a few pages over

1285
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:44,990
to Image Comics

1286
00:53:49,810 --> 00:53:48,170
and it ended up becoming the number one

1287
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:49,820
selling book for image and it turned out

1288
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:52,610
to be the top I think 17 top-selling

1289
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:54,020
graphic novel in the country for that

1290
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:56,060
year there was this book called ascend

1291
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:58,970
and and so that was really my first

1292
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:02,480
inroads into creating as well as working

1293
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:04,610
in the studio's and music and everything

1294
00:54:11,350 --> 00:54:08,480
else and so over the years I've sort of

1295
00:54:14,050 --> 00:54:11,360
developed my career into two sides one

1296
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:14,060
has been working in videogames and in

1297
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:17,030
music and in television and film as more

1298
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:18,470
on the service side like they're coming

1299
00:54:23,110 --> 00:54:21,170
into direct coming in to produce coming

1300
00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:23,120
in to sort of oversee post-production

1301
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:25,430
and so I build PCB productions here in

1302
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:27,470
Los Angeles and we have five stages now

1303
00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:31,040
and we work on about 30 or 40 projects a

1304
00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:35,420
year mainly video games so I've done 11

1305
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:37,640
of the call duty games I've done

1306
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:40,010
majority of the Ghost Recon and Rainbow

1307
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:42,110
six series did a lot of the Tony Hawk

1308
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:46,700
games so over the past 20 years is our

1309
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:49,690
20th year now being in business as PCB

1310
00:54:57,310 --> 00:54:53,450
it really gave me a great opportunity to

1311
00:54:59,820 --> 00:54:57,320
work with development teams and other

1312
00:55:02,500 --> 00:54:59,830
creators and collaborate with these

1313
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:02,510
amazing technical teams to really

1314
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:04,910
develop these big franchises and that

1315
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:07,850
gave me the inspiration and the guidance

1316
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:10,070
along with these great actors like Gary

1317
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:12,470
and other actors to start to take my own

1318
00:55:16,210 --> 00:55:13,850
projects like these comic books and

1319
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:16,220
develop my own work so the second half

1320
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:18,680
of my company is now PCB entertainment

1321
00:55:25,570 --> 00:55:22,430
and that is creating these motion

1322
00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:25,580
pictures television shows original video

1323
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:28,040
games graphic novels and doing projects

1324
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:31,190
based on my own stories and so that's

1325
00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:33,020
been the most fulfilling and rewarding

1326
00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:36,140
sort of experience is to continue to be

1327
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:38,390
relevant in the production space and

1328
00:55:43,090 --> 00:55:41,030
working on these big franchises and this

1329
00:55:45,070 --> 00:55:43,100
year we had monster hunter and judgment

1330
00:55:46,990 --> 00:55:45,080
and Kathryn and persona all these big

1331
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:47,000
games that are coming up to get to work

1332
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:49,190
on but on the side I get to work on

1333
00:55:52,540 --> 00:55:50,930
projects now I've got a project one with

1334
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:52,550
Wesley Snipes I've got a prequel for

1335
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:54,290
Phoenix I've got this new infect

1336
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:55,850
animated series that's coming out I've

1337
00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:57,050
got two other films that are in

1338
00:56:00,940 --> 00:55:59,150
development so my day kind of goes back

1339
00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:00,950
and forth between maintaining our

1340
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:02,660
studios for all of our clients and our

1341
00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:04,490
big projects there and then being

1342
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:06,800
creative on my own and finding time to

1343
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:09,050
do my own work so it's a great time now

1344
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:11,630
a key that you're the first person we've

1345
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:13,070
ever had on the show who's got a big

1346
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:15,290
background in the gaming and there's

1347
00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:18,050
been a lot of talk over the years recent

1348
00:56:23,950 --> 00:56:21,320
years among theoretical physicists about

1349
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:23,960
the simulation theory and I'd like to

1350
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,790
know if a you're familiar with that and

1351
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:28,640
if you have any thoughts about it

1352
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:32,330
you know it's amazing I a huge fan of

1353
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:34,190
films like The Matrix and Total Recall

1354
00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:36,470
and even films like Inception that sort

1355
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:39,260
of tie into a lot of the theories that

1356
00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:41,420
are there and a lot of even some of the

1357
00:56:44,290 --> 00:56:42,980
video games you know Blade chronicles

1358
00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:44,300
that I worked on a number other ones

1359
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:45,980
kind of deal with the idea that the

1360
00:56:50,910 --> 00:56:49,130
power world is a simulation I'm always

1361
00:56:55,579 --> 00:56:50,920
fascinated by the ideas

1362
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,589
alternate reality and and it's always

1363
00:57:00,089 --> 00:56:58,240
great like late night discussion to kind

1364
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:00,099
of get into is its are we living in a

1365
00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:01,900
simulation and what are the different

1366
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:03,700
alternate realities that sort of exists

1367
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:06,930
based on our universe and where we're at

1368
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:10,890
I'm not as well-versed in some of the

1369
00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:13,180
theoretical science and some of the

1370
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:15,160
proof that we have outside of the

1371
00:57:20,009 --> 00:57:16,630
entertainment topics that we've talked

1372
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:20,019
about but it's it for someone like

1373
00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:22,900
myself that always has that what-if sort

1374
00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:25,480
of scenario and what if we are in the

1375
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:27,640
simulation and what if our reality is

1376
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,740
not what we think it is or or a path

1377
00:57:34,529 --> 00:57:32,319
that's a different alternate version of

1378
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:34,539
where we could have gone is something

1379
00:57:37,859 --> 00:57:36,220
that I do spend a lot of time thinking

1380
00:57:39,779 --> 00:57:37,869
about creatively and I'm always

1381
00:57:41,849 --> 00:57:39,789
fascinating hearing that the real

1382
00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:41,859
researchers kind of debate it and talk

1383
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:44,140
about it it is pretty interesting I've

1384
00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:45,970
heard a couple of debates of big

1385
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:47,260
roundtables with the theoretical

1386
00:57:51,089 --> 00:57:49,210
physicist usually at the end the

1387
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:51,099
conclusion is well what do you think

1388
00:57:55,799 --> 00:57:53,170
what do you think the chances are that

1389
00:57:57,779 --> 00:57:55,809
that this is the world that we're really

1390
00:58:00,029 --> 00:57:57,789
living in just a big simulation and they

1391
00:58:02,819 --> 00:58:00,039
say nah but you know they talk about it

1392
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:02,829
anyway that's usually the conclusion but

1393
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:04,450
another thing that has come up in

1394
00:58:09,779 --> 00:58:07,569
relation to contactees and that is a

1395
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,789
number of them have said that the

1396
00:58:15,029 --> 00:58:12,640
experience they had seemed like a just

1397
00:58:17,069 --> 00:58:15,039
literally a different reality a

1398
00:58:19,769 --> 00:58:17,079
different level of reality maybe even a

1399
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:19,779
virtual reality and since that is tied

1400
00:58:24,089 --> 00:58:21,640
into gaming a little bit I wanted to get

1401
00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:24,099
your feedback on that as well it was

1402
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:25,900
interesting I mean the the abduction

1403
00:58:29,999 --> 00:58:27,880
phenomenon has been something that has

1404
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:30,009
been as fascinated me for years I have a

1405
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:31,690
film that I'm actually writing that that

1406
00:58:36,990 --> 00:58:35,170
kind of deals with the topic but what

1407
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:37,000
was interesting for me and this is kind

1408
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:38,559
of a hot topic within the community and

1409
00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:40,450
and and for anyone who has a different

1410
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:42,630
opinion I'm not meaning to be

1411
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:46,210
controversial or upsetting to them but

1412
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:48,690
when I did a lot of research especially

1413
00:58:54,269 --> 00:58:51,220
for this film

1414
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:54,279
the majority almost all of the abduction

1415
00:59:02,279 --> 00:58:57,420
cases that I researched had come out

1416
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,289
through hypnotherapy and and had come

1417
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,440
out through this process

1418
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:07,599
this regression hypnotherapy and then

1419
00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:09,430
really going back and discovering what

1420
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:12,630
had happened to them and I was

1421
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,090
fascinated by this sort of research that

1422
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:18,730
was being done on night terrors and the

1423
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:23,710
idea that Sleep Disorders had a really

1424
00:59:29,609 --> 00:59:26,609
big impact on on a lot of these

1425
00:59:32,910 --> 00:59:29,619
abductees as a potential explanation for

1426
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:32,920
why they may have happened and there's a

1427
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:35,470
sleep disorder it's it's known as as a

1428
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:37,540
night terror and it's where when you go

1429
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:39,849
to sleep your body goes into a form of

1430
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:44,410
paralysis where you don't act out your

1431
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,730
dreams because if you have a dream that

1432
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:47,680
you're running and you're jumping off a

1433
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:49,330
cliff and you got out of bed and you

1434
00:59:52,109 --> 00:59:50,830
were to actually run through your glass

1435
00:59:54,780 --> 00:59:52,119
plate window or something else like that

1436
00:59:56,460 --> 00:59:54,790
you would obviously cause severe injury

1437
00:59:59,730 --> 00:59:56,470
to yourself so your body has this

1438
01:00:01,980 --> 00:59:59,740
natural mechanism to sort of paralyze

1439
01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:01,990
itself during sleep you can still turn

1440
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,550
over but you don't really really get up

1441
01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:05,920
in night terrors it's a sleep disorder

1442
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:07,630
and it actually happens to the majority

1443
01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:09,849
of people at some point during their

1444
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:11,740
life some people are more prone to it

1445
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:14,290
than others but almost everyone has had

1446
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:16,290
it at one point in their life or another

1447
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:18,970
and typically what happens is is that

1448
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:21,640
the person wakes up during an activity

1449
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:25,480
of high REM activity and during REM

1450
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,550
activity your brain and your and your

1451
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,440
sleep cycle you're at the at a very

1452
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:31,119
heightened state of awareness within

1453
01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:34,030
your dreams and but when you wake up

1454
01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:37,390
with a night terror the body doesn't

1455
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:39,820
release the paralysis that it's still

1456
01:00:44,849 --> 01:00:43,060
under so you sort of wake up mentally in

1457
01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:44,859
sort of a disoriented and heightened

1458
01:00:49,050 --> 01:00:47,260
state but your body feels like it's

1459
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:49,060
being held down because of the paralysis

1460
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:50,770
and if you've ever had anesthesia or

1461
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:51,640
something you kind of almost feel like

1462
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:53,500
pressure or there's someone holding you

1463
01:00:59,400 --> 01:00:57,010
down and when that happens you're very

1464
01:01:01,470 --> 01:00:59,410
sensitive to light there is a sense that

1465
01:01:06,270 --> 01:01:01,480
there's a someone or a presence in the

1466
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:06,280
room and it is terrifying and and it's

1467
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:08,260
so prevalent that it's been documented

1468
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:10,180
in almost every culture around the world

1469
01:01:15,329 --> 01:01:12,250
for hundreds if not thousands of years

1470
01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:15,339
and in South America there's a cat that

1471
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:18,309
sits on your chest and steals your soul

1472
01:01:22,439 --> 01:01:20,410
in Europe there's a troll that sits in

1473
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:22,449
the corner and and does this and in

1474
01:01:27,299 --> 01:01:25,420
Japan it's an old hag that is it was

1475
01:01:30,059 --> 01:01:27,309
causing this spell that to be you know

1476
01:01:32,279 --> 01:01:30,069
placed on you but it's a very irrational

1477
01:01:34,259 --> 01:01:32,289
kind of feeling because you're in this

1478
01:01:35,699 --> 01:01:34,269
REM cycle and a lot of people just end

1479
01:01:37,469 --> 01:01:35,709
up thinking it's a nightmare and they

1480
01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:37,479
fall back asleep and they don't recall

1481
01:01:42,359 --> 01:01:40,150
it but for people who are awake and can

1482
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,369
retain that all they know is that there

1483
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:43,599
was someone in the room someone holding

1484
01:01:49,249 --> 01:01:46,569
them down and it terrified and a number

1485
01:01:52,769 --> 01:01:49,259
of these people have gone into hypno

1486
01:01:53,999 --> 01:01:52,779
regression therapy to kind of find out

1487
01:01:56,699 --> 01:01:54,009
what happened to them because they can't

1488
01:01:58,349 --> 01:01:56,709
remember what's there and what's amazing

1489
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,359
about hypno regression therapy is that

1490
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:00,640
and I'm not sure the actual scientific

1491
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:02,049
term for it

1492
01:02:06,029 --> 01:02:03,729
or I can't remember it offhand but

1493
01:02:09,870 --> 01:02:06,039
what's interesting is is that when you

1494
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:09,880
go and regress back in hypnotherapy you

1495
01:02:15,449 --> 01:02:13,559
are very susceptible to suggestion and

1496
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:15,459
I've had friends who have gone through

1497
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:17,380
it who have cured themselves of fear of

1498
01:02:24,509 --> 01:02:20,559
flying or or to stop smoking and other

1499
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:24,519
things but if there is sort of any type

1500
01:02:28,499 --> 01:02:27,609
of suggestion or even self suggestion

1501
01:02:31,819 --> 01:02:28,509
that there was something else that

1502
01:02:35,059 --> 01:02:31,829
happened that memory then becomes

1503
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:35,069
absolutely cemented into your memory and

1504
01:02:38,849 --> 01:02:36,910
and then it becomes real no matter

1505
01:02:40,229 --> 01:02:38,859
whether it was suggested to you or not

1506
01:02:41,729 --> 01:02:40,239
whether it was a thought that came

1507
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:41,739
afterwards it becomes part of your

1508
01:02:45,390 --> 01:02:43,630
memory and from all the cases that I

1509
01:02:47,099 --> 01:02:45,400
studied that was the case that they had

1510
01:02:49,229 --> 01:02:47,109
all gone through some form of have no

1511
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,239
regression therapy and in the United

1512
01:02:53,249 --> 01:02:51,039
States though we don't have old hags or

1513
01:02:56,249 --> 01:02:53,259
cats or trolls or other things that are

1514
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,259
part of our culture but UFOs and aliens

1515
01:03:00,989 --> 01:02:58,559
have been and so I think that from the

1516
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:00,999
the research I was doing it and again no

1517
01:03:04,709 --> 01:03:03,249
disrespect to the cases that are outside

1518
01:03:07,169 --> 01:03:04,719
of this but from the majority of ones I

1519
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:07,179
saw that were this they were sort of

1520
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:09,880
finding that a lot of this may have come

1521
01:03:14,279 --> 01:03:11,650
through a suggestion even a self

1522
01:03:18,269 --> 01:03:14,289
suggestion during this hypno regression

1523
01:03:19,859 --> 01:03:18,279
hypnotherapy and and so anyway so I was

1524
01:03:20,999 --> 01:03:19,869
always fascinated by that because some

1525
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:21,009
of the stories I've met people like

1526
01:03:25,459 --> 01:03:22,689
Travis and other people who have been

1527
01:03:27,509 --> 01:03:25,469
through some obviously life-altering

1528
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:27,519
experiences and so I was trying to

1529
01:03:31,950 --> 01:03:30,609
rectify sort of that feeling of what

1530
01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:31,960
they've gone through versus

1531
01:03:35,730 --> 01:03:33,700
the research that has been done and

1532
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:35,740
trying to find a film or a television so

1533
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:37,390
they can explore that that's an

1534
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:39,640
interesting topic and Dean um I was

1535
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:42,400
gonna ask you a little bit about that

1536
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:44,080
topic could you touch on the sleep

1537
01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:48,900
paralysis subject yeah first of all I

1538
01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:52,300
think it's now older grumpy person I

1539
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:01,980
think it's it's interesting because

1540
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:05,770
there's this footage of this dog that's

1541
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:09,760
online that's gone viral down and it you

1542
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:11,740
see the dog lying there and it's like a

1543
01:04:16,349 --> 01:04:13,750
greyhound you know which are great

1544
01:04:18,690 --> 01:04:16,359
runners and it's its legs are moving as

1545
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:18,700
it's sleeping and they're like picking

1546
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:20,710
up speed as it's going and then all of a

1547
01:04:26,130 --> 01:04:23,290
sudden it pops up and runs straight into

1548
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:26,140
the wall and once it's back and is like

1549
01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:27,849
completely you know chicken so that

1550
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:31,060
paralysis is absolutely you know

1551
01:04:38,550 --> 01:04:33,400
much-needed the thing that I'm I'm kind

1552
01:04:42,990 --> 01:04:38,560
of my daughter um when she was younger

1553
01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:43,000
she had childhood epilepsy and so what

1554
01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:45,700
that would mean is that it was nocturnal

1555
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:47,500
so at night she would have these

1556
01:04:58,859 --> 01:04:54,690
seizures and then she would go into a

1557
01:05:01,020 --> 01:04:58,869
state where you know we would go to the

1558
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:01,030
hospital she was given ativan as a

1559
01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:04,720
muscle relaxant to to end prevent that

1560
01:05:12,089 --> 01:05:08,830
the seizing from continuing and she

1561
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:12,099
started drawing these pictures that

1562
01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:14,950
looked like kind of overhead schematics

1563
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:18,790
and and had like these these patterns

1564
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,530
some of it spiral some of it was

1565
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:22,000
straight across like a grid it was like

1566
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:25,030
these boxes one after another all lined

1567
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:29,020
up and almost like a checkerboard that

1568
01:05:33,089 --> 01:05:31,390
was that was kind of misshapen and she

1569
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:33,099
said this is what she sees when she

1570
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:36,130
leaves her body and so she would see us

1571
01:05:40,020 --> 01:05:38,770
her getting lower loaded into the

1572
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:40,030
ambulance and heading out so she was

1573
01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:42,010
having a lot of body experiences and

1574
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:44,680
this went on for a couple of years when

1575
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:45,610
she was having these

1576
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:48,190
before we got the proper medication and

1577
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:49,870
started doing other things and I could

1578
01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:52,750
work in order to dye that back and make

1579
01:05:59,550 --> 01:05:56,320
it containable but um I I believe we

1580
01:06:02,460 --> 01:05:59,560
leave our body every night I subscribe

1581
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:02,470
to that whole hard light I think I'm you

1582
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:06,930
know I mean not to go too far up

1583
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:09,970
esoteric limb but you know that's what

1584
01:06:14,190 --> 01:06:10,510
we're here for

1585
01:06:17,550 --> 01:06:14,200
yeah let's let's feed that animal vent

1586
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:17,560
so it's I think what's what's going on

1587
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:20,020
is you know with regards to simulation

1588
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:24,160
this is one big school you know it's

1589
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:26,020
it's there's nothing more depressing me

1590
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:28,630
think that that here's a child who grows

1591
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:31,210
up happens to grow up into you know a

1592
01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:33,730
home with two crackhead parents and now

1593
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:35,800
they've got mental and physical issues

1594
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:38,410
because of that genetically and they're

1595
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:39,940
predisposed to it and then they you know

1596
01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:41,290
become homelessness so that's the only

1597
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:44,020
shot that they get it like that's that

1598
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:46,930
doesn't seem fair I believe that you

1599
01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:48,760
know we've been here many a time there's

1600
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:50,860
a thing called Zeno glossy which is a

1601
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:55,750
condition where say a child at like four

1602
01:06:59,220 --> 01:06:57,370
years old or three years only starts

1603
01:07:01,170 --> 01:06:59,230
talking they start talking in language

1604
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,180
that they wouldn't know how would

1605
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:03,660
someone who you know grew up in Nebraska

1606
01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:06,370
born there how can they speak you know

1607
01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:09,400
Mandarin and so that is on record you

1608
01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:11,500
know as being it legit phenomenon or

1609
01:07:16,110 --> 01:07:13,620
being able to sit the piano and play

1610
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:16,120
perfect I think those four you know

1611
01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:18,970
residuals from past life and so I like

1612
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:21,340
to believe that we're all evolving and

1613
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:22,810
we're all getting there to the finish

1614
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:24,850
line I mean unfortunately technology is

1615
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:27,940
such right now that you know Moore's law

1616
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:30,250
which tracks development of mankind and

1617
01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:33,340
technology is now so bifurcated that

1618
01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:34,870
it's no longer running concurrent

1619
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:36,670
technologies shut straight up so it's

1620
01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:38,860
like a cat a young little kitten that's

1621
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:40,780
running down a hallway its hind legs are

1622
01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:44,170
running past it and tripping over and

1623
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:46,660
that's kind of where we're at but with

1624
01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:51,610
regards to how we all you know at night

1625
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,140
we go I think we need to shut down I

1626
01:07:58,140 --> 01:07:54,880
think we need to you know maybe we go

1627
01:07:58,819 --> 01:07:58,150
into our higher self and reconnect you

1628
01:08:00,620 --> 01:07:58,829
know there's some

1629
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:00,630
have tons of energy they're amazing like

1630
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:02,609
seeing Paul McCartney at Dodger Stadium

1631
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:05,130
last night you know again he's you know

1632
01:08:09,169 --> 01:08:07,410
77 years old running around three hours

1633
01:08:12,859 --> 01:08:09,179
three sips of water that's all he needs

1634
01:08:15,859 --> 01:08:12,869
it's like holy crap this is insane yeah

1635
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:15,869
and so I look at that and and you know

1636
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:19,650
there's there's stories of yeah people

1637
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:21,089
have a feel sluggish and stuff and

1638
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:22,319
they're being told last life you've had

1639
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:25,380
too much of your soul in you and so now

1640
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:27,779
you're only having so much but just to

1641
01:08:32,599 --> 01:08:30,359
bring it back I think you know that

1642
01:08:34,490 --> 01:08:32,609
paralysis and stuff I believe to an

1643
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:34,500
extent because I've experienced it a few

1644
01:08:40,579 --> 01:08:37,799
times is us maybe re-entering our body

1645
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:40,589
because you know you will be conscious

1646
01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:43,380
it's like I'm aware that I'm kind of in

1647
01:08:48,559 --> 01:08:46,980
my body space but I can't move and you

1648
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:48,569
start to panic and it's the worst it's

1649
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:50,130
closer I'm closer phobic and so that's

1650
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:51,750
the worst for me I have to like calm

1651
01:08:54,919 --> 01:08:53,460
myself and say everything's gonna be

1652
01:08:56,629 --> 01:08:54,929
okay get back in your body back and

1653
01:08:58,549 --> 01:08:56,639
buying all of a sudden I can now start

1654
01:09:00,680 --> 01:08:58,559
to move my body so I wonder if that's

1655
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:00,690
not like you know OBE out-of-body

1656
01:09:08,959 --> 01:09:05,880
experience projecting oneself these are

1657
01:09:11,780 --> 01:09:08,969
all good questions I have a off-the-wall

1658
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:11,790
question for both you and Keith and that

1659
01:09:18,049 --> 01:09:15,329
is what this is totally random what do

1660
01:09:20,839 --> 01:09:18,059
you all do if you ever get to the point

1661
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:20,849
in your lives where you absolutely have

1662
01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:24,960
no impetus or drive to do any directing

1663
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:27,480
or producing of any kind regarding the

1664
01:09:36,189 --> 01:09:31,199
kinds of things that you do no idea what

1665
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:36,199
those words mean so once once a director

1666
01:09:42,140 --> 01:09:39,839
for life yeah I mean it's it's funny I

1667
01:09:44,599 --> 01:09:42,150
mean it's it I think Dean and I don't do

1668
01:09:47,329 --> 01:09:44,609
this it's not because God knows it's not

1669
01:09:48,260 --> 01:09:47,339
because of the money it's if you want to

1670
01:09:50,539 --> 01:09:48,270
make money there's better ways than

1671
01:09:52,370 --> 01:09:50,549
trying to be a director or other things

1672
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,380
I mean it's it's great to be able to

1673
01:09:55,879 --> 01:09:54,540
just support yourself doing this but I

1674
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:55,889
think it's more for the creative and the

1675
01:09:59,899 --> 01:09:58,290
love of telling these stories you know

1676
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,909
we would be sitting around like like he

1677
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:01,199
said earlier like Dean was talking about

1678
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:03,090
we'd be you know cave people sitting

1679
01:10:07,580 --> 01:10:04,679
around a campfire telling these stories

1680
01:10:09,790 --> 01:10:07,590
it whatever medium we can tell these in

1681
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,800
and I think that's why we move between

1682
01:10:14,629 --> 01:10:12,239
film and television and game

1683
01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:14,639
and comics and anything we can tell a

1684
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,480
story and because the way the audience

1685
01:10:21,589 --> 01:10:20,340
experiences stories is right now we're

1686
01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:21,599
telling a story that would be through a

1687
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:23,550
podcast we're talking stories you know

1688
01:10:28,489 --> 01:10:26,610
every day when we're you know telling

1689
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:28,499
things to our families we're telling

1690
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:30,900
stories to friends when we're out at you

1691
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:33,210
know at a bar or over breakfast so I

1692
01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:35,489
think that as a storyteller to be able

1693
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:37,380
to come up with these ideas and take

1694
01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:39,090
especially for us we take things are

1695
01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:41,400
inspired by reality and then tell a

1696
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:42,989
what-if story and talk about an

1697
01:10:46,819 --> 01:10:45,329
alternate universe and other realities

1698
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:46,829
that are there and that really

1699
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:48,210
fascinates people and I think people

1700
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,800
love the idea that they can take their

1701
01:10:54,259 --> 01:10:51,960
world and he play and and sort of

1702
01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:54,269
envision a different life in a different

1703
01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:56,699
place and either empathize with those

1704
01:11:02,299 --> 01:10:59,820
characters remembered remember him he

1705
01:11:03,950 --> 01:11:02,309
did deer hunter Michael Chu mono and he

1706
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:03,960
actually evolved into kind of a

1707
01:11:08,839 --> 01:11:05,960
different person over a period of time

1708
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,849
he was not the same person as when he

1709
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:10,440
first directed the deer hunter

1710
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:13,289
in fact he evolved into actually quite a

1711
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:15,690
completely different person where I'm

1712
01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:17,909
going with this is are you the same

1713
01:11:23,089 --> 01:11:20,670
person when you first start doing

1714
01:11:25,489 --> 01:11:23,099
directing both of you or have you

1715
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:25,499
changed completely from the point you

1716
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:36,960
first started to know so you go keys

1717
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:42,300
I'll go after I think for me it's a

1718
01:11:48,109 --> 01:11:45,510
great question I think that everything

1719
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:48,119
you do affects you in some way and not

1720
01:11:51,470 --> 01:11:49,530
just your life experiences but

1721
01:11:53,509 --> 01:11:51,480
creatively when you do things and and

1722
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,519
being a creative you're really putting

1723
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:56,400
out a lot out there and especially now

1724
01:12:00,680 --> 01:11:58,050
that we're all so connected online and

1725
01:12:01,970 --> 01:12:00,690
and you know you you have YouTube and

1726
01:12:04,069 --> 01:12:01,980
Twitter and so many other places where

1727
01:12:06,049 --> 01:12:04,079
the audience has direct connection to

1728
01:12:08,509 --> 01:12:06,059
you as a filmmakers and creatives and

1729
01:12:10,220 --> 01:12:08,519
and creatively you're really taking a

1730
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:10,230
very personal like or personal

1731
01:12:14,299 --> 01:12:11,820
experience and putting it out there and

1732
01:12:16,580 --> 01:12:14,309
sharing it with the world and based on

1733
01:12:17,899 --> 01:12:16,590
that feedback some people really respond

1734
01:12:19,819 --> 01:12:17,909
to that either positively or negatively

1735
01:12:21,529 --> 01:12:19,829
and it's great for the audience to love

1736
01:12:24,049 --> 01:12:21,539
something and it's also heartbreaking if

1737
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:24,059
somebody crushes you by by insulting

1738
01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:25,150
your work

1739
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:28,780
for me I started very early in music and

1740
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:31,330
then moved into games and then moves

1741
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:35,290
into directing so as a director I'm

1742
01:12:41,310 --> 01:12:38,050
still this was just my first film and in

1743
01:12:43,470 --> 01:12:41,320
that space but having 650 games and

1744
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:43,480
other projects over 20 years really gave

1745
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:45,970
me a chance to sort of learn the craft

1746
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:48,430
and not be influenced by the audience as

1747
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:49,930
much as just kind of getting to play in

1748
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,960
these worlds so I guess now I am a much

1749
01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:55,840
different person because I'm looking at

1750
01:13:00,360 --> 01:12:57,750
not just the business of it but kind of

1751
01:13:02,220 --> 01:13:00,370
giving back to society and kind of

1752
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:02,230
hoping that that the work that I

1753
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:04,930
contribute can help further things in

1754
01:13:09,660 --> 01:13:07,690
the future and as well as giving back to

1755
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:09,670
actors in the audience in other ways so

1756
01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:12,520
I think I've just matured as a human and

1757
01:13:16,710 --> 01:13:14,440
using the entertainment sort of backbone

1758
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:16,720
is doing that but I think that had I

1759
01:13:20,460 --> 01:13:19,450
started earlier in life those projects

1760
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:20,470
probably would have affected me in a

1761
01:13:27,450 --> 01:13:24,130
different way Diann ready to go er yeah

1762
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:27,460
I think I fully transmuted I've got you

1763
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:31,330
you know I think what it comes down to

1764
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,060
is we are we're both extremely curious

1765
01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:41,760
everything starts out of curiosity um

1766
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:44,380
and then the cause and effect of

1767
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:46,870
curiosity and exploring something is

1768
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:50,260
once we've discovered something then

1769
01:13:56,190 --> 01:13:52,570
this this strange thing happens which is

1770
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,200
we become pointers where we go look at

1771
01:14:01,080 --> 01:13:58,480
this look at this thing I discovered

1772
01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:01,090
look at this thing that that is really

1773
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:03,640
cool take a look at we're pointing it

1774
01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:05,830
that's why you see directors those

1775
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:08,230
stills they're always pointing you know

1776
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:10,540
they're pointing over here we're trying

1777
01:14:14,130 --> 01:14:12,130
to direct people's attention to

1778
01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:14,140
something interesting that we feel is

1779
01:14:19,170 --> 01:14:16,900
valid and so the other complaint radio

1780
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:19,180
you're going to choose a speaker and

1781
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:22,450
you're saying something so you better

1782
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:23,710
have something to say because it's a

1783
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:26,110
it's a lost opportunity if you don't so

1784
01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:28,210
so you know the spaces that we're

1785
01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:30,070
working in are kind of with a

1786
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:33,430
fantastical but that is you know like

1787
01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:35,530
one might think of for me the perfect

1788
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:37,630
film which captures everything that I

1789
01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:38,530
trying every

1790
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:41,380
and I'm still striving for it

1791
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:45,190
desperately this blender and when I see

1792
01:14:49,290 --> 01:14:46,690
Close Encounters of the Third Kind

1793
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:49,300
it's wonder that look of opening the

1794
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:51,850
door looking at this light wonder what

1795
01:14:57,480 --> 01:14:54,880
this thing is and to create that in a

1796
01:15:00,540 --> 01:14:57,490
movie is just golden and when you open

1797
01:15:02,370 --> 01:15:00,550
up people's idea of wonder you can you

1798
01:15:04,230 --> 01:15:02,380
can you know feed them anything that's

1799
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:04,240
positive it will resonate it'll stick

1800
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:07,450
much easier event than preaching or you

1801
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:08,410
know everything else so it's finding

1802
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:10,630
that that line there but it does each

1803
01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:13,810
film changes you because you know you'll

1804
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:15,880
see actors I work with many actor who

1805
01:15:20,430 --> 01:15:18,130
when they're done finishing shooting

1806
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:20,440
they go and they get a haircut they dye

1807
01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:22,750
their hair it's kind of like I need to

1808
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:24,760
let that go that experience haven't shed

1809
01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:26,440
that skin and move on to the next and

1810
01:15:31,620 --> 01:15:27,790
you carry that and that's in your tool

1811
01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:31,630
bag and and as artists the challenge is

1812
01:15:35,970 --> 01:15:33,580
every year we have to dump out the tool

1813
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:35,980
bag people don't stay relevant when you

1814
01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:38,500
hold on closely that tool bag this is my

1815
01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:40,750
stick you've got to empty it out you

1816
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:42,160
have to put new stuff in because every

1817
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,050
year communication the way that humans

1818
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:46,480
communicate is different and the tools

1819
01:15:51,690 --> 01:15:49,600
in which they use are that are they the

1820
01:15:54,780 --> 01:15:51,700
apparatus is they use to take in that

1821
01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:54,790
communication changes and so we have to

1822
01:15:59,130 --> 01:15:57,070
go with it and if we're lucky if we're

1823
01:16:02,400 --> 01:15:59,140
lucky we're right there on the precipice

1824
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:02,410
that's going on I was you know twenty

1825
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:06,730
years or ten years too early with with

1826
01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:10,090
UFO abduction and that wasn't good you

1827
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:12,670
don't want to be too early so you know

1828
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:14,590
the timings gotta line up right but

1829
01:16:21,180 --> 01:16:18,790
ultimately yeah it's it does change you

1830
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:21,190
at that as much as you change it

1831
01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:25,570
hopefully sorry sorry Frank I didn't

1832
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:26,380
mean to interrupt you

1833
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:29,440
I did want to Undine thank you very much

1834
01:16:32,970 --> 01:16:31,450
for having answered that really

1835
01:16:35,190 --> 01:16:32,980
appreciate your insight regarding that

1836
01:16:37,410 --> 01:16:35,200
we have a very special guest he's gonna

1837
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:37,420
join us briefly here for as long as she

1838
01:16:41,190 --> 01:16:38,040
wishes

1839
01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:41,200
she's a wonderful person she's deeply

1840
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:43,900
involved regarding PCB productions which

1841
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:48,190
is owned by Keith REM and this is the

1842
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:51,310
wife of Keith Valerie and she's involved

1843
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:52,330
also I believe

1844
01:16:56,580 --> 01:16:54,250
and voice acting is that correct Valerie

1845
01:16:58,380 --> 01:16:56,590
yes good morning it is correct I am a

1846
01:17:00,300 --> 01:16:58,390
voice actor as well as a voice of her

1847
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,310
talent director it's fantastic are you

1848
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:03,280
also co-owner PCB productions I am the

1849
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:09,520
co-owner and basically the entire UFO

1850
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,820
field is largely storyteller a lot of

1851
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,520
times it's just folks speaking at

1852
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:17,440
conferences doing interviews shows like

1853
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:21,040
this but they don't have big budgets and

1854
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,020
special effects it's just them telling

1855
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:25,360
the story now anybody who's had any kind

1856
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:28,840
of a sighting experience or a closer

1857
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:31,300
encounter they want to tell their story

1858
01:17:36,990 --> 01:17:34,300
what advice do you have to them in terms

1859
01:17:38,670 --> 01:17:37,000
of that getting things together before

1860
01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:38,680
they go public with what they've got to

1861
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:40,270
say you have any advice for those folks

1862
01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:46,050
you miss the rights to their story I

1863
01:17:53,070 --> 01:17:48,280
think they need to be well researched

1864
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:53,080
and and to be taken credibly they really

1865
01:18:00,720 --> 01:17:56,290
need to understand that even if it's a

1866
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:00,730
very personal and very sort of

1867
01:18:05,130 --> 01:18:03,310
challenging thing to be able to bring

1868
01:18:07,410 --> 01:18:05,140
that out in public to come out with that

1869
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:07,420
information that they have to understand

1870
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:09,310
that there's always going to be

1871
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:10,930
skepticism there's always going to be

1872
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:13,330
criticism there's gonna be doubters on

1873
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:15,610
every side so the more research and the

1874
01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:17,260
more they understand the context of what

1875
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:18,340
they saw

1876
01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:20,850
so they can balance out their opinion

1877
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:23,260
the better so they don't just feel like

1878
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:24,640
it doesn't sound like it's coming from

1879
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:28,330
someone who doesn't have any

1880
01:18:33,060 --> 01:18:30,370
understanding of the context of where

1881
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,070
they saw that Valerie I was going to ask

1882
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:34,960
you could you please let us know a

1883
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:37,650
little bit about what you do regarding

1884
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:40,900
PCB productions just sort of give us a

1885
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:44,490
general scope of you know everyday

1886
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:47,650
activities regarding what you do I run

1887
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:49,290
and run and run and run and run

1888
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:52,410
[Laughter]

1889
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:55,300
currently I am the main talent director

1890
01:18:59,130 --> 01:18:57,730
here at PCP so what I do is I direct the

1891
01:19:02,340 --> 01:18:59,140
voice-over talent who comes in to work

1892
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:02,350
on our video game titles that are

1893
01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:06,010
brought to us so I've been working on

1894
01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:08,260
big titles such as like persona 5 and

1895
01:19:14,910 --> 01:19:12,580
Monster Hunter World and Katherine and

1896
01:19:16,620 --> 01:19:14,920
Metro and several other of the really

1897
01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:16,630
big titles so what I do is when the

1898
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:18,070
actors come in we put them in the

1899
01:19:22,410 --> 01:19:19,360
voice-over booth and I'm the person who

1900
01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:22,420
sort of directs their performances and

1901
01:19:24,750 --> 01:19:23,560
make sure that they're consistent with

1902
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:24,760
the rest of the game and the rest of the

1903
01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:25,840
performances we're getting so that we

1904
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:27,640
get like sort of our entire cohesive

1905
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:31,180
picture cohesive storyline do you have

1906
01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:32,950
any interesting stories from the Senate

1907
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:39,190
to share with us the people we get to

1908
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:40,330
work with on a daily basis are just

1909
01:19:45,810 --> 01:19:42,970
absolutely fascinating because they they

1910
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:45,820
get to go you know from booth to booth

1911
01:19:49,770 --> 01:19:48,010
to booth being incredibly different

1912
01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:49,780
people you know they can be a child at

1913
01:19:53,370 --> 01:19:51,880
one moment and then be a giant ogre or a

1914
01:19:55,050 --> 01:19:53,380
monster the next moment and so I think

1915
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:55,060
the most interesting thing I don't have

1916
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,650
a specific story to tell but I think the

1917
01:20:00,660 --> 01:19:58,480
most interesting thing is that I get to

1918
01:20:03,330 --> 01:20:00,670
work with people that are basically

1919
01:20:05,130 --> 01:20:03,340
human vocal shapeshifters you know and

1920
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:05,140
it's it's really fascinating to watch

1921
01:20:10,260 --> 01:20:07,750
them perfect these things and to grow as

1922
01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:10,270
we work with them over the past 20 years

1923
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:11,560
that we've owned our business to watch

1924
01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:13,210
these people go from being unknown to

1925
01:20:16,050 --> 01:20:14,620
being like some of the top people in the

1926
01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:16,060
industry and just watching sort of that

1927
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:18,340
growth that happened and Balor is also a

1928
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,860
voice actor herself she Jenna she's she

1929
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:22,480
had started on camera and done modeling

1930
01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:25,090
and and as she started to help me grow

1931
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:29,350
PCB the other actors and clients

1932
01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:33,520
absolutely loved working with her and as

1933
01:20:37,580 --> 01:20:35,020
I've been moving into film and

1934
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:37,590
television and these other crazy sort of

1935
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:39,970
aspects of our company she's been really

1936
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:42,130
taking over all the game side and she

1937
01:20:46,860 --> 01:20:45,040
not only lends her acting background to

1938
01:20:51,090 --> 01:20:46,870
directing these other actors but she's

1939
01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:51,100
bit and then at least 50 or 100 and huge

1940
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:54,100
titles herself and I try to not to be

1941
01:20:57,450 --> 01:20:55,930
very nepotistic on our projects I'll

1942
01:20:58,860 --> 01:20:57,460
always if she's up for a project she's

1943
01:21:01,080 --> 01:20:58,870
always auditioning and doing things

1944
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,090
outside of me being the director on my

1945
01:21:05,490 --> 01:21:03,760
projects so but she's been on Call of

1946
01:21:06,690 --> 01:21:05,500
Duty and she's been on what are some of

1947
01:21:08,910 --> 01:21:06,700
the top titles that I think he would

1948
01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:08,920
talk about call of duty and titanfall

1949
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:11,590
and persona 4 she's the voice of the

1950
01:21:19,860 --> 01:21:18,490
Batmobile and the arcade game and I see

1951
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:19,870
I'm looking at your website that you do

1952
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:21,970
a motion capture there as well is that

1953
01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:23,650
something you started out with oh the ad

1954
01:21:27,810 --> 01:21:25,270
it is you went along and how did that

1955
01:21:30,690 --> 01:21:27,820
all come about and tell us a little bit

1956
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,700
about that process the motion capture

1957
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,800
has really been a great addition to our

1958
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,440
company and as well as facial capture in

1959
01:21:38,940 --> 01:21:37,360
video games it you don't have the

1960
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:38,950
benefit of just putting up a camera and

1961
01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:41,260
recording an actor everything is done

1962
01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:43,870
with computer generated models so that

1963
01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:46,390
means the body the face and the voice

1964
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:49,000
are all Frankenstein together into a

1965
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:52,510
performance and you can do traditional

1966
01:21:56,730 --> 01:21:54,310
what we call performance capture or

1967
01:21:58,710 --> 01:21:56,740
motion capture on a big stage where you

1968
01:22:00,420 --> 01:21:58,720
have these cameras we have about 200

1969
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,430
cameras on these larger stages and

1970
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:02,800
they're not actually regular cameras

1971
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:04,180
that the way you would figure out let

1972
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:05,500
you know would you see on film or

1973
01:22:10,140 --> 01:22:07,570
television these are infrared cameras

1974
01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:10,150
and they're only looking for light so

1975
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:12,160
the actors wear these skin tight suits

1976
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:15,910
that are very flattering and little

1977
01:22:20,370 --> 01:22:18,250
reflective markers on all their joints

1978
01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:20,380
on their elbows on their shoulders on

1979
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:23,260
their wrists and these 200 cameras on

1980
01:22:27,660 --> 01:22:25,330
these stages they only see those points

1981
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:27,670
of light so the actors basically become

1982
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:29,830
marionettes they become these puppeteers

1983
01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:32,290
that are moving around their characters

1984
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,590
and it's an amazing technology it's

1985
01:22:38,730 --> 01:22:37,120
different than what you see Pixar when

1986
01:22:41,630 --> 01:22:38,740
Pixar does one of their films their

1987
01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:41,640
animators hand animate all of their

1988
01:22:46,230 --> 01:22:44,980
characters by hand and with motion

1989
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:46,240
capture these actors are actually

1990
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:48,970
performing but the difference is is that

1991
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:51,300
a lot of the people in the game industry

1992
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,010
also kind of see the way movies are done

1993
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,320
they see these these great actors coming

1994
01:23:00,450 --> 01:22:58,480
together and performing together so a

1995
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:00,460
lot of times motion capture sets are

1996
01:23:04,860 --> 01:23:03,310
sort of emulating film sets which is a

1997
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:04,870
little unfair to the actors because the

1998
01:23:08,970 --> 01:23:06,850
actors don't have lighting or they don't

1999
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,980
have props and they don't have costumes

2000
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:10,960
they're on these big giant stages with

2001
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,660
no props trying to sort of imagine what

2002
01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:15,760
these 500-foot creatures are looking

2003
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:17,590
like or these tanks they're rolling in

2004
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:19,570
they're using their imagination which is

2005
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:22,030
a lot of fun but it's very hard on some

2006
01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:23,290
of these actors to sort of understand

2007
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:24,820
the context and deliver the same kind of

2008
01:23:29,790 --> 01:23:26,890
performances so what Valerie and I do

2009
01:23:31,009 --> 01:23:29,800
here is we sort of dissect the different

2010
01:23:34,369 --> 01:23:31,019
parts of performance

2011
01:23:36,099 --> 01:23:34,379
so the voice the face and the body we

2012
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:36,109
sort of treat those equally in

2013
01:23:41,029 --> 01:23:38,729
independently and importantly when we

2014
01:23:43,549 --> 01:23:41,039
direct the actors to just do their face

2015
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:43,559
and sometimes we're recording an actor

2016
01:23:47,599 --> 01:23:45,719
just doing the facial motions without

2017
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:47,609
their voice on their body and then we'll

2018
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:49,169
move to a motion capture stage and just

2019
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:51,209
capture that motion and then we'll also

2020
01:23:56,179 --> 01:23:53,129
go in and do the voice and so that's

2021
01:23:58,489 --> 01:23:56,189
what makes our job very interesting and

2022
01:24:01,369 --> 01:23:58,499
difficult is that you're asking a very

2023
01:24:04,309 --> 01:24:01,379
skilled actor to work in a very

2024
01:24:05,719 --> 01:24:04,319
technical box and sound natural and say

2025
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:05,729
I need you to come into the soundproof

2026
01:24:10,729 --> 01:24:09,089
room and I need you to repeat a line in

2027
01:24:12,619 --> 01:24:10,739
two point three four seconds within 15

2028
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:12,629
percent of the original mocap material

2029
01:24:15,889 --> 01:24:14,010
and you have to do that a hundred times

2030
01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:15,899
an hour and the first or second take and

2031
01:24:23,119 --> 01:24:17,699
the actor looks at us and goes what the

2032
01:24:24,739 --> 01:24:23,129
hell now Keitha when you did the Phoenix

2033
01:24:26,539 --> 01:24:24,749
incident you used a lot of the voice

2034
01:24:28,549 --> 01:24:26,549
actor I'm assuming a lot of the same

2035
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:28,559
people you generally use in the studio

2036
01:24:33,469 --> 01:24:31,159
used a lot of voice actors in that movie

2037
01:24:35,629 --> 01:24:33,479
yeah what was interesting was that we

2038
01:24:37,879 --> 01:24:35,639
knew we had a pretty tight budget and we

2039
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:37,889
only had 14 days to shoot the movie so I

2040
01:24:42,289 --> 01:24:40,169
really really needed actors that I could

2041
01:24:43,699 --> 01:24:42,299
depend on that I trusted that I had a

2042
01:24:46,429 --> 01:24:43,709
shorthand with that I'd worked on

2043
01:24:49,339 --> 01:24:46,439
hundreds of games with already so I

2044
01:24:50,869 --> 01:24:49,349
could sort of lean on them to really

2045
01:24:53,929 --> 01:24:50,879
portray characters that were very

2046
01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:53,939
natural to them and to help us work in a

2047
01:24:57,889 --> 01:24:56,369
space that either was scripted we were

2048
01:24:59,569 --> 01:24:57,899
using a very unscripted sort of

2049
01:25:03,349 --> 01:24:59,579
methodology of how to get through some

2050
01:25:05,629 --> 01:25:03,359
of these scenes so Troy Baker who is now

2051
01:25:08,029 --> 01:25:05,639
it's been in the last of us and Bioshock

2052
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:08,039
a lot of big games travis willingham

2053
01:25:13,339 --> 01:25:09,689
who's now on critical role and he was on

2054
01:25:15,649 --> 01:25:13,349
halo Liam O'Brien also kind of a newer

2055
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:15,659
actor that for the film space but in

2056
01:25:18,679 --> 01:25:17,010
games he's done hundreds of big games

2057
01:25:21,259 --> 01:25:18,689
like Oscars wrath and now he's on

2058
01:25:23,389 --> 01:25:21,269
critical role and Yuri Lowenthal who was

2059
01:25:24,739 --> 01:25:23,399
still do spider-man and a big Sony

2060
01:25:26,509 --> 01:25:24,749
spider-man game but he was also in the

2061
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:26,519
Prince of Persia and hundreds of other

2062
01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:28,649
characters so these are really seasoned

2063
01:25:31,699 --> 01:25:30,510
actors that most people in the film and

2064
01:25:33,859 --> 01:25:31,709
television space don't know what they

2065
01:25:35,419 --> 01:25:33,869
look like but any gamer would know that

2066
01:25:38,329 --> 01:25:35,429
these are some of the top guys working

2067
01:25:40,819 --> 01:25:38,339
in the space so I really wanted to bring

2068
01:25:42,979 --> 01:25:40,829
in very familiar and very skilled actors

2069
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:42,989
to help me in this space so we could

2070
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:43,980
play for

2071
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:45,900
my first film and I thought that gave me

2072
01:25:51,260 --> 01:25:48,090
a great backbone to be able to have

2073
01:25:53,180 --> 01:25:51,270
great performances in in this very tight

2074
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:53,190
sort of production window that we were

2075
01:25:57,229 --> 01:25:55,620
going to do they like the adjustment

2076
01:25:59,000 --> 01:25:57,239
going from the controlled environment of

2077
01:26:00,979 --> 01:25:59,010
a studio to going out and shooting a

2078
01:26:02,900 --> 01:26:00,989
movie yeah I was like being on a giant

2079
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:02,910
mocap stage and we shot the scenes just

2080
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:05,730
like a mocap set except for our

2081
01:26:11,540 --> 01:26:08,850
cameraman became sort of the focal point

2082
01:26:13,729 --> 01:26:11,550
and we would have headsets for for

2083
01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:13,739
Brendan Cox it was our DP and he would

2084
01:26:19,190 --> 01:26:16,860
shadow Yuri Lowenthal the the cameraman

2085
01:26:20,540 --> 01:26:19,200
basically in the film and they had this

2086
01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:20,550
amazing dance that they would work

2087
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:22,230
through and we would do these scenes in

2088
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:24,150
five minutes scenes as opposed to

2089
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:25,500
individual cuts we would actually go

2090
01:26:29,810 --> 01:26:28,230
through the entire scene together and it

2091
01:26:31,940 --> 01:26:29,820
was it was a great process and I think

2092
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:31,950
that they loved being able to expand

2093
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,660
what they have done in games and onto

2094
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:36,000
camera I'm Valerie wanted to ask you a

2095
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:37,890
question and then I posed this question

2096
01:26:43,250 --> 01:26:40,380
to your husband and then also to Dean

2097
01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:43,260
after that and that is up I know that

2098
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:45,960
you love what you do I know you probably

2099
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:48,930
live it and breathe it every day and

2100
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:51,420
probably every night what do you and

2101
01:26:57,650 --> 01:26:54,810
your husband do to be able to get away

2102
01:27:00,160 --> 01:26:57,660
from everything after a while just to be

2103
01:27:10,940 --> 01:27:00,170
able to you know get a breather from it

2104
01:27:13,070 --> 01:27:10,950
so you don't burn out that Keith is my

2105
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:13,080
little shark and if he stops swimming

2106
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:19,170
he'll die he never stops so he really

2107
01:27:23,290 --> 01:27:21,210
the only thing I found that can make him

2108
01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:23,300
stop is I have to take him to some

2109
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:26,040
middle of the ocean Islands that has no

2110
01:27:29,540 --> 01:27:28,260
Wi-Fi or put him on a cruise ship that

2111
01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:29,550
goes out into the middle of the ocean

2112
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:31,260
where we have absolutely no connection

2113
01:27:34,580 --> 01:27:32,489
to the outside world because it's

2114
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,590
literally the only way I can make him

2115
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:36,960
stop working and the funny thing is is

2116
01:27:39,710 --> 01:27:38,370
that every time I've done that he'll

2117
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:39,720
usually sit there and write a new script

2118
01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:43,080
or something so that like he entirely

2119
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,820
stops working since he stops doing our

2120
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:46,560
day-to-day and then focuses more on the

2121
01:27:51,290 --> 01:27:49,590
creative of it yeah it for me it my

2122
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:51,300
brain just doesn't turn off and I can

2123
01:27:57,690 --> 01:27:54,719
tell it's a really it's a curse and a

2124
01:28:00,480 --> 01:27:57,700
blessing because when I get an idea

2125
01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:00,490
I can't stop until I get that at that

2126
01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:01,780
idea out of my head

2127
01:28:07,020 --> 01:28:04,750
whether it's visually or we're sharing

2128
01:28:08,940 --> 01:28:07,030
it with someone even a sin that first

2129
01:28:10,980 --> 01:28:08,950
book I did it was a dream we Val took me

2130
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:10,990
up doing up the Arctic Circle with our

2131
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:13,360
brand new baby daughter Julia and she's

2132
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:14,590
like how although she was like nine

2133
01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:16,540
months six months old we're on this

2134
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:18,670
little boat up in the Arctic Circle away

2135
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:21,130
from email away from the Internet away

2136
01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:23,170
from anything and I wake up in the

2137
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:24,520
middle of the night and I just dreamt

2138
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:27,090
the entire movie and the entire book and

2139
01:28:31,230 --> 01:28:29,590
and I would always have you know big

2140
01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:31,240
dreams like this about once a year but I

2141
01:28:34,290 --> 01:28:32,740
would always lose them because I pick up

2142
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:34,300
and I fall back asleep and then I just

2143
01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:36,850
sort of forget about it and this time I

2144
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:39,220
knew I couldn't lose this story and so I

2145
01:28:44,580 --> 01:28:41,650
literally this is an inside cabin in his

2146
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:44,590
little boat and I shook her awake like

2147
01:28:55,650 --> 01:28:46,690
for the morning pitch-black our daughter

2148
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:55,660
is like sound asleep and so one hour I

2149
01:28:59,880 --> 01:28:57,730
just tell her this dream this giant war

2150
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,890
the purgatory wars and these angels that

2151
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:01,360
are harvesting these souls to be in this

2152
01:29:04,170 --> 01:29:02,830
giant war and these brothers that are

2153
01:29:05,850 --> 01:29:04,180
caught in the middle of this whole thing

2154
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:05,860
and and I just told her the whole story

2155
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:09,730
and and at the end of this story she's

2156
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:11,890
silent and and I kind of lean in because

2157
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:13,450
I can't see her cuz it's pitch black I

2158
01:29:18,690 --> 01:29:16,450
said did you fall back asleep I just

2159
01:29:20,850 --> 01:29:18,700
like in stunned silence and she said you

2160
01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:20,860
just dreamt all of that and I was like

2161
01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:22,180
well I didn't have that when we had to

2162
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:23,350
bat a few hours ago

2163
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:25,450
and but then I couldn't get those images

2164
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:27,130
out of my head I don't know what that's

2165
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:29,940
the excited or terrified but all that

2166
01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:32,470
well and that just goes to show you you

2167
01:29:41,070 --> 01:29:34,750
can't even sleep to get away from it

2168
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,080
your worsening in your sleep yes when he

2169
01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:43,120
sleeps and grabs these little nuggets of

2170
01:29:46,710 --> 01:29:44,710
things and bring oh yeah yeah let me

2171
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:46,720
before you jump back to D my me yeah

2172
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:48,490
jump in with Keith really quick and that

2173
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:50,650
is regarding just their the graphic

2174
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:53,290
novel form if you've got an idea for a

2175
01:29:59,460 --> 01:29:55,810
story that seems like that's about the

2176
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,470
lowest tech approach that you can take

2177
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:01,600
they get that story told and get that

2178
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:03,730
out there and can you just talk about

2179
01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:05,890
the form a little bit it seems like it's

2180
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:07,870
a very inclusive that pretty much

2181
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:09,910
anybody really has a shot at it if they

2182
01:30:14,090 --> 01:30:10,890
think they've got a good

2183
01:30:16,930 --> 01:30:14,100
work it it's the absolute best way to

2184
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:16,940
take an idea and really flesh it out

2185
01:30:22,490 --> 01:30:19,650
it's not the best way to sort of dive

2186
01:30:24,140 --> 01:30:22,500
into the in-depth personalities and

2187
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:24,150
characters because it is a more of a

2188
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:27,090
visual medium than it is from from a

2189
01:30:32,750 --> 01:30:31,110
storytelling dialog perspective but what

2190
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:32,760
it does allow you to do is that if

2191
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:34,080
you're envisioning a world and

2192
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:36,360
characters and and the interaction and

2193
01:30:42,530 --> 01:30:39,690
sort of the arc of a story you and

2194
01:30:44,780 --> 01:30:42,540
another artist or just yourself you can

2195
01:30:46,010 --> 01:30:44,790
sort of envision what a giant war

2196
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:46,020
between having the hell's going to look

2197
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:47,570
like if you're going to envision an

2198
01:30:52,700 --> 01:30:50,520
armada of spaceships attacking a planet

2199
01:30:56,090 --> 01:30:52,710
an artist can draw that without a whole

2200
01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:56,100
team of visual effects animators and all

2201
01:31:01,370 --> 01:30:58,770
whole studio to do a scene just just an

2202
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:01,380
artist can can visualize that so what

2203
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:03,930
would normally be storyboards or just

2204
01:31:08,540 --> 01:31:06,090
stick figures of deciding what an idea

2205
01:31:10,490 --> 01:31:08,550
is gonna be a graphic novel you can

2206
01:31:13,250 --> 01:31:10,500
really establish an idea and put it out

2207
01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:13,260
there and for me it's absolutely the

2208
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:14,760
best way to start off with a project

2209
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:16,320
because you can now share that with

2210
01:31:21,020 --> 01:31:18,780
someone show them the pacing the

2211
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:21,030
characters the world and then use that

2212
01:31:26,270 --> 01:31:23,370
to develop it you can't make any money

2213
01:31:28,190 --> 01:31:26,280
off doing it unfortunately is very

2214
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,200
difficult and hopefully we're finding

2215
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:30,480
some new ways to change that but it is

2216
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:32,250
absolutely the best way I think for me

2217
01:31:37,580 --> 01:31:35,370
as a storyteller to start the beginning

2218
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:37,590
of an idea indeed how do you get away

2219
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:40,890
from it all I don't have a husband so

2220
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:48,690
I'm not sure how it's you never get away

2221
01:31:53,630 --> 01:31:50,010
that's the problem

2222
01:31:55,580 --> 01:31:53,640
never ever um we're driving an alley my

2223
01:31:58,100 --> 01:31:55,590
girlfriend will tell you I'm like

2224
01:32:00,140 --> 01:31:58,110
thinking on something and I see

2225
01:32:04,220 --> 01:32:00,150
something on the street or whatever and

2226
01:32:06,740 --> 01:32:04,230
that gets a domino effect going and you

2227
01:32:09,740 --> 01:32:06,750
know and then it's like I have to tell

2228
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:09,750
her I've got it that's the first first

2229
01:32:14,690 --> 01:32:12,210
level of realization of it is speaking

2230
01:32:16,730 --> 01:32:14,700
it to someone else many a time I've done

2231
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:16,740
the same thing it's not really cool that

2232
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:18,810
we do that but oh I'll do the same thing

2233
01:32:24,110 --> 01:32:21,450
in the morning if I even wait til the

2234
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:24,120
morning and I'll hit Ally with an idea

2235
01:32:30,590 --> 01:32:26,940
that I have and and then it's kind of

2236
01:32:33,860 --> 01:32:30,600
you know usually after you have coffee

2237
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:33,870
you can tell if the idea has some some

2238
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:35,910
you know legs to it sometimes it's just

2239
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:38,280
one aspect of it but usually when it

2240
01:32:44,420 --> 01:32:42,090
comes it comes hard and fast I always

2241
01:32:47,060 --> 01:32:44,430
look at like you know way back before

2242
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:47,070
you know like Socrates and Plato they

2243
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:50,100
would the term having a muse was a real

2244
01:32:54,650 --> 01:32:52,980
thing they could yeah they considered

2245
01:32:56,420 --> 01:32:54,660
that you know someone who was really

2246
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:56,430
good in some field they would say

2247
01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:58,290
whether your muse must be very powerful

2248
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:01,380
and in fact those artists or those you

2249
01:33:06,260 --> 01:33:03,900
know whatever their field was they would

2250
01:33:08,660 --> 01:33:06,270
give credit to the muse and then at some

2251
01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:08,670
point they stopped doing that I still

2252
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:10,260
like to give credit to them because I

2253
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:12,090
know when something comes and you're

2254
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:14,490
like you know Keith can you know relate

2255
01:33:18,140 --> 01:33:16,050
to this I'm sure and same with Valerie

2256
01:33:21,380 --> 01:33:18,150
it hits you you're like where the hell

2257
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:21,390
did that come from and then your job is

2258
01:33:26,210 --> 01:33:23,040
there's a there's a portal that has

2259
01:33:28,580 --> 01:33:26,220
opened up between up above or whatever

2260
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:28,590
your muse is hitting you and and it

2261
01:33:33,860 --> 01:33:31,110
doesn't stay open forever so I always

2262
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:33,870
say to you know you know I've been

2263
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:35,280
coming filmmakers and stuff that's for

2264
01:33:41,420 --> 01:33:38,370
advice I say when you hit that you you

2265
01:33:42,830 --> 01:33:41,430
stop everything and you go you know it

2266
01:33:48,110 --> 01:33:42,840
sounds like ally and I need to take a

2267
01:33:51,950 --> 01:33:48,120
girls weekend I want to say is when I

2268
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:51,960
met Keith an alien kind he had the best

2269
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:54,480
booth there I mean it was Jesus it was

2270
01:34:00,590 --> 01:33:57,300
it was the Keith and Valerie show it's

2271
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:00,600
just called what it is beautiful and I

2272
01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:02,850
was across the way and what was most

2273
01:34:06,890 --> 01:34:05,910
impressive wasn't the huge backdrop very

2274
01:34:09,710 --> 01:34:06,900
high

2275
01:34:12,590 --> 01:34:09,720
it was the teamwork between he and

2276
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:12,600
Valerie and their kids they were there

2277
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:15,930
and to see this like you know this kind

2278
01:34:21,950 --> 01:34:18,930
of Nouveau mom and pop organization that

2279
01:34:25,730 --> 01:34:21,960
was that was all pulling it together I

2280
01:34:27,380 --> 01:34:25,740
mean they're all you know we're all

2281
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:27,390
striving for the same thing they all

2282
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:29,730
have you know again wonder it's like

2283
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:30,930
they're doing this adventure together

2284
01:34:36,530 --> 01:34:35,370
and it's very admirable and you know

2285
01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:36,540
their kids are gonna benefit greatly

2286
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:37,960
from them and

2287
01:34:45,380 --> 01:34:42,010
and from this and and so that was yeah

2288
01:34:49,610 --> 01:34:45,390
that's funny about that is that if our

2289
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:49,620
kids now are growing up pretty fast and

2290
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:52,270
and even though they may want to join

2291
01:34:56,940 --> 01:34:54,730
the business at some point you really

2292
01:35:01,170 --> 01:34:56,950
see that they've sort of inherited a lot

2293
01:35:03,150 --> 01:35:01,180
of our energy and madness and but but

2294
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:03,160
I've always felt that people need to do

2295
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:05,530
what they love to do and that should be

2296
01:35:09,540 --> 01:35:07,540
their their careers it's not what they

2297
01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:09,550
have to do not what they're being paid

2298
01:35:13,709 --> 01:35:11,140
to do but what they love to do and

2299
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:13,719
that's what was for me for music and and

2300
01:35:18,150 --> 01:35:15,850
even to this day I really still feel

2301
01:35:20,190 --> 01:35:18,160
like I'm just playing in my hobby but

2302
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:20,200
what was interesting is our daughter

2303
01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:24,489
Julia who's 17 is this unbelievable

2304
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:25,630
Baker

2305
01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:27,370
she loves to bake it's just for

2306
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:29,020
something for her just makes her pet

2307
01:35:34,530 --> 01:35:31,690
Serena in her zone she just loves what

2308
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:34,540
she does and she discovered that she had

2309
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:36,130
a thyroid condition where she couldn't

2310
01:35:41,190 --> 01:35:39,130
really have wheat or soy and but she

2311
01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:41,200
loved to bake and how you do that so she

2312
01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:43,710
started researching all these different

2313
01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:46,060
sort of ingredients and other things and

2314
01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:47,710
she came up with these cupcakes that are

2315
01:35:53,459 --> 01:35:50,950
these like just gluten-free gourmet

2316
01:35:55,620 --> 01:35:53,469
things but but being in a world where

2317
01:35:58,020 --> 01:35:55,630
we're surrounded by celebrities and

2318
01:35:59,610 --> 01:35:58,030
video games and movies and and and pop

2319
01:36:01,530 --> 01:35:59,620
culture and she loves it as much as

2320
01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:01,540
she's a fan as much as she is working in

2321
01:36:05,940 --> 01:36:04,780
the industry and and so what's funny is

2322
01:36:07,410 --> 01:36:05,950
is that you see all this work that we

2323
01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:07,420
put into our video games and our movies

2324
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:09,670
and the promotion in our boots and so

2325
01:36:15,959 --> 01:36:11,290
our daughter came up with this company

2326
01:36:17,820 --> 01:36:15,969
at 17 it's called naked bakes and what's

2327
01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:17,830
hilarious is I mean and Bao came up with

2328
01:36:25,229 --> 01:36:20,860
a slogan for it naked of gluten negative

2329
01:36:27,330 --> 01:36:25,239
so I fully dressed in flavor so at 17

2330
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:27,340
she's the CEO of this cupcake company

2331
01:36:33,420 --> 01:36:31,570
which is about three months ago and now

2332
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:33,430
she's been at DreamWorks she's at

2333
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:36,130
Universal she's been at I mean movies

2334
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:37,810
but if you go to my daughter's site and

2335
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:39,370
her Instagram is now flowing up and

2336
01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:41,650
everything you better make banks calm

2337
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:43,390
and I'm not doing a shameless plug it's

2338
01:36:46,890 --> 01:36:44,950
just I'm just so proud of what do you

2339
01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:46,900
want Harry please draw in a few times

2340
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:50,590
yes she's made it when Alejandro calls

2341
01:36:55,020 --> 01:36:51,530
and says what's

2342
01:36:57,940 --> 01:36:55,030
with the cupcake right that's right and

2343
01:36:59,560 --> 01:36:57,950
and so it's so funny because Dean was

2344
01:37:01,840 --> 01:36:59,570
talking about is that our family really

2345
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:01,850
does operate as a unit and and we're at

2346
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:04,250
Comic Con this week and the whole kid

2347
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:05,810
that the family's coming out they work

2348
01:37:07,930 --> 01:37:06,410
in the booth

2349
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:07,940
people are saying well you know you got

2350
01:37:10,780 --> 01:37:08,960
to make yourselves a little bit

2351
01:37:11,950 --> 01:37:10,790
unobtainable than other people who work

2352
01:37:13,870 --> 01:37:11,960
the front of the booth and you come out

2353
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:13,880
and do the autographs and signings and

2354
01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:15,410
we're like hell no we're gonna be out

2355
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:16,820
there with the fans meeting everybody

2356
01:37:20,650 --> 01:37:19,310
every day because we love that

2357
01:37:22,330 --> 01:37:20,660
interaction and getting the feedback

2358
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:22,340
from the fans and our kids have been

2359
01:37:24,580 --> 01:37:23,510
there since they were kids you know

2360
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:24,590
since they were little and they're still

2361
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:26,570
working a booth want to know the the

2362
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:29,690
name of her website again please yes

2363
01:37:39,250 --> 01:37:32,570
so it's naked bakes naked like no

2364
01:37:40,990 --> 01:37:39,260
clothes naked naked bakes her idea for

2365
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:41,000
the naked was that it was I'm making a

2366
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,610
baked stock okay I see it now okay can

2367
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:45,440
you send me a small bio and everything

2368
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,330
on that so I can explain it to the

2369
01:37:58,720 --> 01:37:49,760
listeners when I when I promote it with

2370
01:38:00,280 --> 01:37:58,730
this podcast working for our kids right

2371
01:38:01,950 --> 01:38:00,290
I was just going to say she's gonna end

2372
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:01,960
up being a millionaire out of all of us

2373
01:38:05,860 --> 01:38:04,310
exactly and I and that's actually just

2374
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:05,870
one thing to point out what Dean just

2375
01:38:09,610 --> 01:38:07,970
said is that's exactly what it is as

2376
01:38:12,010 --> 01:38:09,620
hard as I was working since the time I

2377
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:12,020
was a kid I never knew why I was working

2378
01:38:16,180 --> 01:38:13,790
so hard I had all these ideas and I

2379
01:38:18,610 --> 01:38:16,190
loved working but the moment that Val

2380
01:38:20,440 --> 01:38:18,620
and I decided to have kids it suddenly

2381
01:38:23,490 --> 01:38:20,450
clicked and I realized that we're doing

2382
01:38:26,020 --> 01:38:23,500
this for them and not in just like a

2383
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:26,030
sort of a charity way it's just sort of

2384
01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:27,440
everything you're doing is to sort of

2385
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:30,920
help them grow their lives and and

2386
01:38:35,860 --> 01:38:33,530
that's not meant to be patronizing it's

2387
01:38:37,660 --> 01:38:35,870
just sort of like I now have a reason to

2388
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:37,670
work hard because I want to make a

2389
01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:39,770
better life for them and if she's really

2390
01:38:45,670 --> 01:38:41,150
successful she'll be able to finance

2391
01:38:48,250 --> 01:38:45,680
your movies right she'll be she'll be

2392
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:48,260
supporting you beautiful name

2393
01:38:55,210 --> 01:38:49,880
could you please tell her to make some

2394
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:55,220
UFO hahaha cupcakes we would appreciate

2395
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:57,770
that by the way before we wrap this up

2396
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:01,760
and I do have to Frank you know if he

2397
01:39:04,899 --> 01:39:03,410
has any more questions yeah I do have

2398
01:39:08,859 --> 01:39:04,909
one last one that was sticking

2399
01:39:12,009 --> 01:39:08,869
my head laughter you asked that okay

2400
01:39:14,770 --> 01:39:12,019
yeah one for all three of you actually

2401
01:39:16,449 --> 01:39:14,780
yeah when you go into a the idea of

2402
01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:16,459
making a movie you've got an idea for a

2403
01:39:20,679 --> 01:39:19,070
movie but this is a going to be a

2404
01:39:22,750 --> 01:39:20,689
project it's gonna take a while it might

2405
01:39:24,669 --> 01:39:22,760
take years for it to come to fruition

2406
01:39:26,649 --> 01:39:24,679
is there a tipping point is there

2407
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:26,659
something at some point a little voice

2408
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:29,030
tells you that yeah this is the idea I

2409
01:39:33,699 --> 01:39:31,489
there's a movie here I'm gonna go for it

2410
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:33,709
because I'm sure you know for every good

2411
01:39:38,379 --> 01:39:35,570
idea there might have been two or three

2412
01:39:40,839 --> 01:39:38,389
that you tossed away so if you could

2413
01:39:43,709 --> 01:39:40,849
talk a little bit about that system that

2414
01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:43,719
process that would be great

2415
01:39:53,979 --> 01:39:51,340
yeah Dean you take this one oh yeah

2416
01:39:56,799 --> 01:39:53,989
here's a thing whenever you get one of

2417
01:40:00,879 --> 01:39:56,809
those ideas automatically a couple dozen

2418
01:40:04,409 --> 01:40:00,889
people in LA get the same idea so you're

2419
01:40:07,060 --> 01:40:04,419
racing to get it done you're racing to

2420
01:40:12,069 --> 01:40:07,070
uphold what was great about the idea and

2421
01:40:13,929 --> 01:40:12,079
keep it consistent but it boy those are

2422
01:40:15,250 --> 01:40:13,939
almost like mirages man you get him and

2423
01:40:18,609 --> 01:40:15,260
it's like oh my god this is total

2424
01:40:22,299 --> 01:40:18,619
zeitgeist and I've run with a few of

2425
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:22,309
those and and you know I did this one I

2426
01:40:28,679 --> 01:40:25,209
work also I've done a couple superhero

2427
01:40:32,890 --> 01:40:28,689
scripts and one of them was this teenage

2428
01:40:34,839 --> 01:40:32,900
character dark dark kind of it kind of

2429
01:40:38,609 --> 01:40:34,849
like Heather's meets us meets a Spider

2430
01:40:41,409 --> 01:40:38,619
Man and he had these elastic powers and

2431
01:40:43,060 --> 01:40:41,419
and so I was able to get through a buddy

2432
01:40:45,089 --> 01:40:43,070
mind that was up to this big agency I

2433
01:40:47,259 --> 01:40:45,099
was able to get it out there and

2434
01:40:50,319 --> 01:40:47,269
literally the week before it was gonna

2435
01:40:51,699 --> 01:40:50,329
go out to to Sony Paramount Warner

2436
01:40:53,319 --> 01:40:51,709
Brothers 20 Century Fox

2437
01:40:56,890 --> 01:40:53,329
Spielberg announced that he was going to

2438
01:40:58,569 --> 01:40:56,900
do Plastic Man and so no one wants to

2439
01:41:01,870 --> 01:40:58,579
compete with Spielberg out in Hawaii

2440
01:41:03,489 --> 01:41:01,880
but I can't imagine yeah it all came

2441
01:41:05,709 --> 01:41:03,499
back and it was like no one wants to do

2442
01:41:07,209 --> 01:41:05,719
that so thanks for playing and that was

2443
01:41:09,879 --> 01:41:07,219
it and then the brothers that they never

2444
01:41:11,469 --> 01:41:09,889
made a movie and so on

2445
01:41:15,759 --> 01:41:11,479
I think when it you know when it does

2446
01:41:16,689 --> 01:41:15,769
come yeah you know it'll let you know

2447
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,699
you just have to kind of pay attention

2448
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:18,800
and be open and

2449
01:41:23,950 --> 01:41:20,690
and that's half but it's being open and

2450
01:41:25,810 --> 01:41:23,960
receptive especially dream-life I mean

2451
01:41:27,759 --> 01:41:25,820
that's don't underestimate the

2452
01:41:30,009 --> 01:41:27,769
subconscious because it's working for us

2453
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,019
a lot of times your idea is ahead of its

2454
01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:32,960
time where it's the right idea but it

2455
01:41:36,729 --> 01:41:34,670
just isn't the right time for the

2456
01:41:38,620 --> 01:41:36,739
audience and they used to say that from

2457
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:38,630
script to screen for a movie with seven

2458
01:41:44,259 --> 01:41:42,050
years and and and it's very true in some

2459
01:41:46,649 --> 01:41:44,269
respects is that if you're have an idea

2460
01:41:49,810 --> 01:41:46,659
and you want to get something made

2461
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:49,820
there's there's a lot of challenges not

2462
01:41:53,529 --> 01:41:51,679
just from a financing standpoint but

2463
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,539
also just distribution and getting it

2464
01:41:57,879 --> 01:41:55,760
out there to the audience and even what

2465
01:41:59,770 --> 01:41:57,889
I experienced with with Phoenix you know

2466
01:42:02,169 --> 01:41:59,780
I got the movie out in 2016 and now the

2467
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:02,179
stuff that happened with undisclosed and

2468
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:03,260
the History Channel and the nimitz

2469
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,800
coming out in 2017 2018 the movie was

2470
01:42:12,069 --> 01:42:09,440
just a year or two ahead of its time for

2471
01:42:14,140 --> 01:42:12,079
hitting that wave of the public's

2472
01:42:15,850 --> 01:42:14,150
awareness of what it was trying to say

2473
01:42:18,220 --> 01:42:15,860
so sometimes you might have a great idea

2474
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:18,230
but there's just not the audience ready

2475
01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:19,489
for it

2476
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:22,070
so as a filmmaker I think you have all

2477
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:23,840
these stories floating in your head and

2478
01:42:27,339 --> 01:42:25,610
that's what's so overwhelming for film

2479
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,349
executives and people that are meeting

2480
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:29,840
with people like Dean and myself and Val

2481
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:32,110
where we have all these great ideas and

2482
01:42:36,549 --> 01:42:34,610
weirdest puing ideas and they're like

2483
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,559
whoa how do you pick what you're working

2484
01:42:40,509 --> 01:42:38,480
on why don't you just focus on one and

2485
01:42:42,339 --> 01:42:40,519
the problem is is it's impossible to

2486
01:42:44,109 --> 01:42:42,349
focus on one because if you put all your

2487
01:42:45,489 --> 01:42:44,119
eggs in one basket you'll never get a

2488
01:42:47,259 --> 01:42:45,499
head and you'll be waiting seven years

2489
01:42:49,569 --> 01:42:47,269
for that picture yeah and not just the

2490
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:49,579
follow-up the turnaround time on the

2491
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:52,730
unidentified TTS a show basically the

2492
01:42:59,890 --> 01:42:55,570
along and his team announced the project

2493
01:43:03,149 --> 01:42:59,900
in October of 2017 and the show

2494
01:43:06,549 --> 01:43:03,159
basically wraps up in the early July of

2495
01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:06,559
2019 so you're talking maybe a year and

2496
01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:09,409
three quarters roughly from the start of

2497
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:11,510
the project to actually getting the show

2498
01:43:16,299 --> 01:43:13,730
done and getting six installments run on

2499
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:16,309
cable would you say that's a pretty good

2500
01:43:20,739 --> 01:43:18,230
turnaround time it seems to me like it

2501
01:43:22,810 --> 01:43:20,749
is based on what you're telling me that

2502
01:43:24,549 --> 01:43:22,820
is a quick turnaround time but also it

2503
01:43:27,279 --> 01:43:24,559
doesn't have to be that way Yul Berg did

2504
01:43:29,950 --> 01:43:27,289
the post in ten months from agreeing to

2505
01:43:32,620 --> 01:43:29,960
do the script to going to screen and ten

2506
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:32,630
months time that that is

2507
01:43:37,860 --> 01:43:34,730
moving almost at the speed of thought a

2508
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:37,870
speed of creativity let's say and so

2509
01:43:42,879 --> 01:43:40,310
Keith and I are you know we're always

2510
01:43:45,729 --> 01:43:42,889
interested in how do we get it not only

2511
01:43:48,669 --> 01:43:45,739
to the art the audience because every

2512
01:43:50,770 --> 01:43:48,679
idea even the worst idea has a huge

2513
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:50,780
audience that has a certain section of

2514
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,489
cross-section people who love that so

2515
01:43:56,350 --> 01:43:54,800
it's a matter of bridging that gap and

2516
01:43:58,810 --> 01:43:56,360
going directly to them and getting it

2517
01:44:00,370 --> 01:43:58,820
out there the fact is technology has

2518
01:44:01,780 --> 01:44:00,380
never been first of all it's the most

2519
01:44:04,689 --> 01:44:01,790
expensive art form in the history of

2520
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,699
mankind and so to have technology where

2521
01:44:09,129 --> 01:44:06,800
you can get your DSLR camera you know I

2522
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:09,139
get a five thousand dollar film a couple

2523
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,110
years ago and did this thing and it was

2524
01:44:15,550 --> 01:44:14,000
all done editing everything within four

2525
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:15,560
months so technically that could have

2526
01:44:20,140 --> 01:44:18,050
gone to market and so it was just me was

2527
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:20,150
a very small you know crew but it is

2528
01:44:23,770 --> 01:44:21,770
possible to do it the only problem is

2529
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:23,780
that you have to intersect with the

2530
01:44:29,470 --> 01:44:27,650
people who who have the yeses and so

2531
01:44:32,290 --> 01:44:29,480
depending how big your budget is that's

2532
01:44:33,370 --> 01:44:32,300
the that's the duration of how long it's

2533
01:44:37,780 --> 01:44:33,380
gonna take to get out there

2534
01:44:39,010 --> 01:44:37,790
traditionally I'm sorry well you're

2535
01:44:40,510 --> 01:44:39,020
seeing an intersection right because

2536
01:44:41,919 --> 01:44:40,520
you're seeing games now being one

2537
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:41,929
hundred forty billion dollar industry

2538
01:44:47,290 --> 01:44:44,480
and help selling music and television

2539
01:44:49,209 --> 01:44:47,300
and film and everything combined but the

2540
01:44:51,939 --> 01:44:49,219
development time of a big game like a

2541
01:44:53,709 --> 01:44:51,949
console games three years and as Dean

2542
01:44:55,689 --> 01:44:53,719
was saying is that you can you know you

2543
01:44:58,810 --> 01:44:55,699
can produce a film the actual production

2544
01:45:00,700 --> 01:44:58,820
of a film even a big blockbuster film is

2545
01:45:02,830 --> 01:45:00,710
fourteen eighteen months so if you have

2546
01:45:05,770 --> 01:45:02,840
a three year video game at a fourteen

2547
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:05,780
year fourteen month motion picture they

2548
01:45:10,330 --> 01:45:07,610
don't line up so if you're getting a

2549
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,340
giant movie out you really have to go

2550
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:12,320
backwards in time and make sure that

2551
01:45:17,140 --> 01:45:14,510
you're planning out your video game and

2552
01:45:19,060 --> 01:45:17,150
all your other launches to go forward

2553
01:45:20,830 --> 01:45:19,070
but that being the case the production

2554
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:20,840
time is not really what holds up the

2555
01:45:26,050 --> 01:45:22,730
movie it's what Dean was saying it's

2556
01:45:29,229 --> 01:45:26,060
it's sort of the the the yes people to

2557
01:45:31,689 --> 01:45:29,239
agree to finance and distribute and

2558
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:31,699
promote and market and get your project

2559
01:45:35,649 --> 01:45:33,199
out there and that's unfortunately

2560
01:45:37,959 --> 01:45:35,659
what's really hurt filmmakers is there's

2561
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:37,969
such a saturation of great talented

2562
01:45:42,010 --> 01:45:39,679
people out there that the distributors

2563
01:45:43,540 --> 01:45:42,020
and the people who are really holding

2564
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:43,550
the purse strings and the distribution

2565
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:46,370
strings really it

2566
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,810
the buyers market for them and they can

2567
01:45:53,980 --> 01:45:50,000
really pick and choose what they want to

2568
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:53,990
be able to push forward and yeah one

2569
01:45:59,560 --> 01:45:55,490
more follow up I'd then back to you

2570
01:46:01,780 --> 01:45:59,570
chant basically let's say that I was I'm

2571
01:46:05,290 --> 01:46:01,790
a TV executive and I'm coming to you

2572
01:46:07,660 --> 01:46:05,300
Dean and Keith and I'm asking guys that

2573
01:46:09,940 --> 01:46:07,670
there's this great citing case that I've

2574
01:46:12,490 --> 01:46:09,950
been following and I want to do a TV

2575
01:46:14,740 --> 01:46:12,500
special about it one hour that's it but

2576
01:46:16,330 --> 01:46:14,750
you know I know who the witnesses are

2577
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:16,340
I've got more or less everything lined

2578
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:18,050
up before you you've got to go out and

2579
01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:19,610
shoot it and get it done and get it

2580
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:22,070
ready for broadcast ASAP here's the

2581
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:23,600
check whatever it is it's good enough

2582
01:46:28,270 --> 01:46:25,370
for you guys how quickly could you get

2583
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:28,280
something like that turned around super

2584
01:46:51,580 --> 01:46:50,000
quick obviously if you have the right

2585
01:46:53,020 --> 01:46:51,590
resources in the right locations and

2586
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:53,030
everything set up you could turn that

2587
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:54,320
around in weeks I mean with today's

2588
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:55,730
technology and be able to do that

2589
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:57,650
absolutely

2590
01:47:03,730 --> 01:47:01,040
even with post ok are you all ready for

2591
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:03,740
my question it's the last question yes

2592
01:47:08,860 --> 01:47:07,370
it's big it's a biggie and my question

2593
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:08,870
is gonna be posted Valerie first then

2594
01:47:13,330 --> 01:47:11,360
Keith and Eden and my question for you

2595
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:13,340
Valerie which is the same for everybody

2596
01:47:21,340 --> 01:47:17,690
else what is your takeaway regarding

2597
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,350
everything you've done having to do with

2598
01:47:27,490 --> 01:47:24,080
the company PCB productions that you and

2599
01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:27,500
your husband owned together from the

2600
01:47:32,620 --> 01:47:30,590
point of its inception until right now

2601
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:32,630
and by the way just so our listeners

2602
01:47:36,730 --> 01:47:34,850
know they're currently getting ready

2603
01:47:38,500 --> 01:47:36,740
we're very lucky to have them on today

2604
01:47:40,420 --> 01:47:38,510
because they're in the midst of getting

2605
01:47:42,010 --> 01:47:40,430
ready for something else tomorrow which

2606
01:47:45,820 --> 01:47:42,020
you can mention what it is if you'd like

2607
01:47:48,130 --> 01:47:45,830
Keith but uh or Valerie but Valerie what

2608
01:47:50,380 --> 01:47:48,140
is your takeaway regarding everything

2609
01:47:52,210 --> 01:47:50,390
you've done what's the moral of the

2610
01:47:53,710 --> 01:47:52,220
story for you what have you learned from

2611
01:47:55,810 --> 01:47:53,720
everything that you've been involved in

2612
01:48:11,919 --> 01:47:55,820
regarding what you and your husband are

2613
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:15,010
I think the takeaway is to do what you

2614
01:48:20,799 --> 01:48:18,800
love do it with integrity and surround

2615
01:48:24,910 --> 01:48:20,809
yourself with good people there's no

2616
01:48:29,049 --> 01:48:24,920
time to work book you are bad energy or

2617
01:48:31,089 --> 01:48:29,059
bad attitudes because it just eats away

2618
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:31,099
at your creativity and it eats away at

2619
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:33,610
the positive experience and in the end

2620
01:48:37,959 --> 01:48:36,800
it's not about the end result it really

2621
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:37,969
is about the journey to get there

2622
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:40,159
because if you spend three years toiling

2623
01:48:43,870 --> 01:48:41,690
away at something in its absolute hell

2624
01:48:45,819 --> 01:48:43,880
then who cares if the end process comes

2625
01:48:47,379 --> 01:48:45,829
out great it was three years of your

2626
01:48:49,930 --> 01:48:47,389
life that you don't get back that you

2627
01:48:51,850 --> 01:48:49,940
spent you know with negativity or bad

2628
01:48:54,700 --> 01:48:51,860
energy or you know not wanting to do it

2629
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:54,710
so I think it's really about having that

2630
01:48:59,229 --> 01:48:58,010
positive journey and if the journey is

2631
01:49:01,450 --> 01:48:59,239
positive I think that the results will

2632
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:01,460
always come out well yeah we've had we

2633
01:49:06,879 --> 01:49:04,010
have the same here that that when people

2634
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:06,889
say that the end justifies the means

2635
01:49:12,069 --> 01:49:10,010
we don't subscribe to that because if

2636
01:49:13,870 --> 01:49:12,079
you have a successful project but it was

2637
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:13,880
a nightmare getting there we don't want

2638
01:49:18,850 --> 01:49:16,400
any part of that because for us it's all

2639
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:18,860
about the means that justifies the end

2640
01:49:23,229 --> 01:49:21,199
the idea that your day to day is awesome

2641
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:23,239
I get to work every day with my with my

2642
01:49:29,319 --> 01:49:27,050
wife my family's here I get to see my

2643
01:49:32,319 --> 01:49:29,329
kids grow up I get to work with some of

2644
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:32,329
the most amazing talented performers in

2645
01:49:38,169 --> 01:49:35,360
the world as a result of working on

2646
01:49:40,030 --> 01:49:38,179
these big projects and and it's an

2647
01:49:41,859 --> 01:49:40,040
amazing magical thing for us and it's

2648
01:49:43,810 --> 01:49:41,869
inspiring every day because we really

2649
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:43,820
genuinely love what we do and we love

2650
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:45,650
the people we're working with and the

2651
01:49:49,540 --> 01:49:47,090
moment we have someone whom we've had a

2652
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:49,550
couple over the 20 years you can count

2653
01:49:54,129 --> 01:49:52,250
them on less than one hand but we've had

2654
01:49:57,250 --> 01:49:54,139
a few people that just when they bring a

2655
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,260
negativity or some kind of just sign

2656
01:50:03,010 --> 01:50:00,320
agenda to the to the table if life is

2657
01:50:04,660 --> 01:50:03,020
too short you know and for us we just

2658
01:50:06,850 --> 01:50:04,670
want to really like Valerie said work

2659
01:50:08,980 --> 01:50:06,860
with good people and and be inspired by

2660
01:50:10,990 --> 01:50:08,990
those people that Rhian spire the

2661
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:11,000
the artwork that we're producing and I

2662
01:50:16,510 --> 01:50:13,090
think that's the real takeaway is that

2663
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:16,520
at the end of the day it really is what

2664
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,050
we did to get there and it's been a

2665
01:50:22,060 --> 01:50:20,000
great journey and that's why you know

2666
01:50:23,710 --> 01:50:22,070
this year in October Valley are

2667
01:50:27,730 --> 01:50:23,720
celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary

2668
01:50:33,340 --> 01:50:27,740
and and we've been together for I'm

2669
01:50:34,780 --> 01:50:33,350
taking him to an island but that's it

2670
01:50:37,930 --> 01:50:34,790
because you know Val and I have been a

2671
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:37,940
team the whole whole way and and and now

2672
01:50:41,860 --> 01:50:39,890
that she's sort of taking over PCB on

2673
01:50:44,290 --> 01:50:41,870
the game side in the studios and

2674
01:50:46,660 --> 01:50:44,300
allowing me to just you know be my shark

2675
01:50:49,540 --> 01:50:46,670
self and kind of go and create these

2676
01:50:52,090 --> 01:50:49,550
projects and have madness it's been a

2677
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:52,100
good good process and and we love it and

2678
01:50:55,150 --> 01:50:53,330
our kids are now getting to the point

2679
01:51:03,280 --> 01:50:55,160
where they're gonna go up to college and

2680
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:03,290
have their own adventures Dean um yeah I

2681
01:51:10,630 --> 01:51:06,530
have to underscore what Valentin said

2682
01:51:13,420 --> 01:51:10,640
100 percent having been in a few bands

2683
01:51:15,220 --> 01:51:13,430
before that is kind of the perfect

2684
01:51:17,140 --> 01:51:15,230
analogy the chemistry of a band is

2685
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:17,150
critical because you're trying to create

2686
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:18,290
something that's gonna play it a certain

2687
01:51:23,470 --> 01:51:20,810
harmony a certain level and it just

2688
01:51:25,870 --> 01:51:23,480
takes one person to throw you off

2689
01:51:28,570 --> 01:51:25,880
looking I may not be the fanciest

2690
01:51:31,810 --> 01:51:28,580
drummer and on my best day I scrape the

2691
01:51:35,470 --> 01:51:31,820
bottom of just okay but I can keep it me

2692
01:51:36,820 --> 01:51:35,480
and if the if the the chemistry isn't

2693
01:51:39,610 --> 01:51:36,830
right and there's someone in the band

2694
01:51:41,290 --> 01:51:39,620
that is has some strange agenda that

2695
01:51:43,780 --> 01:51:41,300
isn't you know all for one and one for

2696
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:43,790
all and serving the parts there's a line

2697
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:45,530
of cure to New York but people will do

2698
01:51:51,190 --> 01:51:48,070
this for free if they're doing that I

2699
01:51:53,020 --> 01:51:51,200
sometimes will have you know I find that

2700
01:51:56,290 --> 01:51:53,030
I it's hard for me to you know keep on

2701
01:51:59,800 --> 01:51:56,300
beat it's like I'm you know that's this

2702
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,810
kind of blatant example as you can get

2703
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:01,280
worse like I'm just not feeling the vibe

2704
01:52:07,540 --> 01:52:04,850
and so uh life as I said way too short

2705
01:52:08,650 --> 01:52:07,550
so you try to find people that you know

2706
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:08,660
you don't have to have all the answers

2707
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:11,810
and so my goal is you know it's you can

2708
01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:14,210
stand taller when a bunch of you you

2709
01:52:18,190 --> 01:52:16,310
know are all put in that pyramid neural

2710
01:52:22,379 --> 01:52:18,200
tanning together and it's and it's fun

2711
01:52:24,330 --> 01:52:22,389
because we're a joke as writers merch

2712
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:24,340
to say that we're psychic that we can

2713
01:52:27,659 --> 01:52:25,570
see in the crystal ball that what we

2714
01:52:29,429 --> 01:52:27,669
grow is going to be perfectly executors

2715
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:29,439
on set identically to what's been

2716
01:52:32,669 --> 01:52:31,510
written and then edited and the thing

2717
01:52:34,739 --> 01:52:32,679
that's fun is you get out there and the

2718
01:52:36,299 --> 01:52:34,749
actors are bringing their own crystal

2719
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:36,309
ball and you're all going together this

2720
01:52:39,899 --> 01:52:37,630
whole big thing that becomes even

2721
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:39,909
greater and so the more you listen the

2722
01:52:44,279 --> 01:52:42,010
more you're open to greater the more in

2723
01:52:46,139 --> 01:52:44,289
depth you have so it just becomes a

2724
01:52:48,270 --> 01:52:46,149
snowball that goes and if you're smart

2725
01:52:51,419 --> 01:52:48,280
will let people do what they do that you

2726
01:52:54,089 --> 01:52:51,429
best and and try to your job is only to

2727
01:52:56,399 --> 01:52:54,099
stir them in the right bridge thank you

2728
01:52:59,040 --> 01:52:56,409
I would like to thank everybody for

2729
01:53:03,839 --> 01:52:59,050
having been on our show today Valeria

2730
01:53:05,399 --> 01:53:03,849
REM and Keith a REM and Dean Alioto we

2731
01:53:09,899 --> 01:53:05,409
look forward to having you on our show

2732
01:53:11,909 --> 01:53:09,909
again and we wish you luck Valerie and

2733
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:11,919
Keith regarding where you're going you

2734
01:53:17,459 --> 01:53:14,110
said San Diego right yeah for Colin

2735
01:53:19,399 --> 01:53:17,469
comic-con yeah and Dean please keep us

2736
01:53:21,330 --> 01:53:19,409
updated on everything you're doing and

2737
01:53:23,729 --> 01:53:21,340
Frank did you have any last thoughts

2738
01:53:26,339 --> 01:53:23,739
yeah I just wanted to say that we're in

2739
01:53:28,469 --> 01:53:26,349
a time a very exciting time I mean I I

2740
01:53:30,929 --> 01:53:28,479
am mr. negativity I have missed their

2741
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:30,939
bad vibes but as far as this UFO stuff

2742
01:53:36,419 --> 01:53:34,570
goes we are in an amazing time and all

2743
01:53:38,459 --> 01:53:36,429
three of you are a tremendous resource

2744
01:53:41,129 --> 01:53:38,469
for young fellow were interested in the

2745
01:53:43,799 --> 01:53:41,139
field and just to listen to what the

2746
01:53:45,569 --> 01:53:43,809
pros have to say about telling those

2747
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:45,579
stories and communicating them

2748
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:48,489
effectively and just building this

2749
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:51,489
community and getting more information

2750
01:53:57,389 --> 01:53:54,010
out there so everybody else can kind of

2751
01:54:04,139 --> 01:53:57,399
plug in and hopefully move this thing

2752
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:04,149
forward thank you for enlightening us we

2753
01:54:08,459 --> 01:54:06,489
appreciate you and Valerie I better ask

2754
01:54:09,870 --> 01:54:08,469
this before you guys leave I know you're

2755
01:54:12,209 --> 01:54:09,880
gonna be busy for a long time but

2756
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:12,219
Valerie can I have the privilege of

2757
01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:28,239
interviewing you and your daughter later

2758
01:54:32,850 --> 01:54:30,729
on that thank you very much friend

2759
01:54:34,799 --> 01:54:32,860
allowed us such an honor of interviewing

2760
01:54:35,649 --> 01:54:34,809
all of you and we will turn it around

2761
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,659
and be right

2762
01:54:39,610 --> 01:54:37,760
tomorrow night with buddy from alien

2763
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:39,620
protocols where we are going to talk

2764
01:54:44,020 --> 01:54:42,650
about these psychic Olympics we're going

2765
01:54:47,229 --> 01:54:44,030
to attempt to hold on this show

2766
01:54:49,330 --> 01:54:47,239
real-time psychic experiments that

2767
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:49,340
should be bulletproof in terms of

2768
01:54:54,970 --> 01:54:52,130
protocol the results where we'll see how

2769
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:54,980
they go that'll be the fun part but

2770
01:54:58,360 --> 01:54:56,480
we're gonna try to get the protocols

2771
01:55:00,600 --> 01:54:58,370
down in terms of doing some psychic

2772
01:55:02,740 --> 01:55:00,610
experiments live on the podcast and

2773
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,750
we're gonna do that tomorrow night and

2774
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:04,400
that should be fun a little bit of an

2775
01:55:09,970 --> 01:55:07,210
experiment so thanks for joining us and

2776
01:55:11,950 --> 01:55:09,980
yes Dean you absolutely can be in the

2777
01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:11,960
psychic Special Olympics yep

2778
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:14,270
no doubt about yeah seriously yeah we're

2779
01:55:17,649 --> 01:55:16,130
looking for contestants oh yeah we

2780
01:55:19,959 --> 01:55:17,659
definitely want to do that and we're

2781
01:55:21,820 --> 01:55:19,969
putting together some games where be

2782
01:55:22,990 --> 01:55:21,830
sort of like a Price is Right type of

2783
01:55:26,410 --> 01:55:23,000
thing where there are a few different

2784
01:55:28,030 --> 01:55:26,420
games within the larger game so we're

2785
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:28,040
gonna go for it that's a that's gonna be

2786
01:55:32,890 --> 01:55:30,650
a lot of fun that experiment maybe it

2787
01:55:34,540 --> 01:55:32,900
works maybe it doesn't work but that's

2788
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:34,550
part of the fun of doing all this so

2789
01:55:37,390 --> 01:55:36,080
good bye everybody enjoy the rest of

2790
01:55:38,169 --> 01:55:37,400
your weekend and we will be back